About Yesterday’s SUPERNATURAL Smack-down

If you’re gonna go down, it might as well be in flames.

Yesterday, we posted an opinion piece taking the SUPERNATURAL leads — Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki — to task for not appearing at the upcoming Comic Con, saying that we believed they owed it to their wildly supportive fan base to show as a way of saying “thank you”.

Well, a whole lot of that fanbase — did we mention how vocal they are? — took us to task. We even received an email from a CW spokesperson labeling the story — and in particular, a major mistake on our part — “not cool.”

First, let’s set the record straight: Although we said in the original item that the stars had not been at past Comic Cons, that was without question inaccurate. As the spokesperson reminded us, “both jared and Jensen were there last year and Jensen was there the year before.” Both have also attended numerous other events at which their adoring public were given the chance to show their love. “The boys are there for their fans,” continued the CW rep.

For that error, we are truly and humbly sorry.


We do, however, stand by our original ascertation that given that Comic Con is one of the biggest events dedicated to the genre, the pair should be putting in an appearance. The spokesperson’s email did not mention scheduling conflicts or, for that matter, offer up any other reason for them not being in attendance.

Again, for the inaccuracies in the piece, we are obviously truly sorry. Obviously, we take our credibility and the truth you put in us very seriously.

We do not, however, feel the need to apologize for the opinions expressed in that post or, for that matter, any other. It’s important to remember that there is a difference between news items and opinion pieces. A vast majority of what is posted here at thetvaddict.com by our various contributors are opinion pieces. The great things about opinions is that everybody has ’em, and they’re never, ever wrong. You may not agree with someone’s opinion, but that doesn’t make it invalid or incorrect, simply different from the stance you take.

We both welcome and love the feedback our readers give via the comments section. Let’s face it: If we didn’t want people to read and respond to our thoughts, we’d put them in a diary. And if we didn’t want feedback, we’d eliminate the “comments” option all together.

We’re not perfect, and we’ll choke down a slice or two of humble pie when circumstances slap it down on our plate. When we’re wrong, we’ll admit it. In this case, some of our facts were wrong. The sentiment, however, was an opinion we stand by while at the same time opening the floodgates to welcome yours.

Like the cast of SUPERNATURAL or any other show, we’d be nothing without you.

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  • bestshowfan
    M,

    First you say Jensen and Jared should get no credit from fans for attending conventions. Then you say true A list stars go out of their way to attend the ComicCon (Con DOES stand for convention, does it not?) and say that showing up does not look good.

    So, you want them to show up because it doesn't look good if they don't; but if and when they do, they should get no credit for it?


    I read that EW article. As a journalist, I know very well that once the interview is over, the subjects have no control over the final written article or the tone in which it's written.

    I don't know whether they film on Sunday or not. Unless you work there, I doubt you do, either. But God forbid anyone should have personal plans on their day off.

    I don't know what they get paid to attend conventions. Unless you're their agent or you work for the convention organizers, you don't either.

    They've attended this ComicCONvention before. Are they supposed to go every year?

    I'm no fan of conventions. I've never attended one and have no plans to do so. But I don't think it's a professional faux pas for actors to not attend every convention.
  • M
    I really wish SPN fans would stop giving credit to Jensen and Jared for supporting their fans by attending conventions. They are paid HUGE quantities of money for those appearances plus luxury travel and accomodations.
    Since that EW article where the Js did not come off well, neither one has done a non-convention related interview. They did zero publicity for the season finale & Misha, Jim, Kripke and Edlund all did.
    Now, they are not attending CC.
    Filming schedule is not an excuse- there is no filming on Sunday.
    They may have personal plans or simply choose not to attend. And that is their choice.
    True A list stars go out of their way to attend this event. Not showing up does not look good.
  • Tana
    Wow! Looks like I missed a real rumble here.

    I wouldn't count the guys out of Comic-Con. Given the scheduling conflicts in the past couple of years (see some of the above posts) they may have decided not to commit until the last minute. Better to not commit and be there than to commit and have to cancel and disappoint at the last minute. Whether they make it or not, I don't think the fans will feel dissed. Jared and Jensen have been awesomely nice to their fans in the past, so an occasional "miss" is okay with most of them.

    That said, I can understand the TVA and CT's posts. While they didn't have all the facts, it was nice that they tried to be fan-supportive. It just turned out it wasn't needed for this one. Thanks for the past support of the show and I'm sorry you got slammed so hard. I appreciate your points of view, even iwhen I don't agree with you (ha).

    And for the person who said they wouldn't watch SN because of what they'd seen here, please don't hold the passion of the fans against the show. It's a great show. It just happens to have one of the most passionate, protective, vocal fanbases I've ever seen. That can translate to good or bad, depending on your perspective of the issue being discussed. I don't always agree with the most vocal members, but I still love the show dearly. Give it a try. You may figure out what all the passion is about, too, and end up being one of the vocal ones yourself!
  • bestshowfan
    It's pretty ignorant for the writer of that opinion piece to give it such an inflammatory and inaccurate title. It's also ignorant, inaccurate, and inflammatory to infer that the boys' or the show's fans are all a bunch of teenage girls.

    It's one thing to express disappointment that those specific actors won't be there. It's quite another to say that they "diss" their fans by not attending. The only way you should have let that title stay is if the writer had a quote from the guys that was clearly anti-fan.

    First, the show is represented there by the show's creator, the wonderful Jim Beaver and Misha Collins, and others. Second, it's presumptuous to imply that Jensen and Jared are available. They work. They work hard. They also attend lots of fan-oriented events. Sounds to me as if the author is just whining like a baby due to personal disappointment. The author likes to use the word DISS. Well, to DISS the actors' other work (their movies -- which I haven't seen because I don't see horror movies in theaters) and complain about their salaries is very childish.

    Here's a news flash: Watching Supernatural does not infer ownership of Jared or Jensen. A fan is not entitled to have them appear in person whenever the fan wishes. The J's are not trained monkeys who perform at the snap of a fan's fingers. Fans are not ENTITLED to private time with either man. That's not what Jared and Jensen sell. Fans are entitled to choose to watch or not watch their performances as actors. They are entitled to enjoy or dislike those performances, and to praise or criticize those performances. To react like a toddler having a tantrum because the guys are not scheduled to appear at a specific event is not OK. To verbally attack the guys on a personal level by stating plainly that they diss their fans is untrue and unfair. If the J's had actually said something bad about the fans, that would be another matter. But they didn't. And they won't.

    You can hide behind your statement that everybody has an opinion. But you and your site should be professional enough to acknowledge that you have editorial control over what you publish on this site. You are supposed to exercise common sense. You wouldn't dare publish an opinion that contained hate speech. You shouldn't have published an opinion that, without proper backup, attacked the personal character of these two actors.
    I'd much rather have the boys spend their time working to give us our show than sitting at a panel where the questions they get are likely to be personal and silly rather than about their work or the show.
    And finally, please consider the following:

    It's ASSERTION, not ASCERTATION. Ascertation is not a word in the dictionary.
    Asserton means: The act of asserting, or that which is asserted; positive declaration or averment; affirmation; statement asserted; position advanced.
    Ascertain means: 1. To render (a person) certain; to cause to feel certain; to make confident; to assure; to apprise.
  • SparkleAndFade
    Everyone is free to have an opinion but having an opinion on what someone else should do in their free time? Lame.
    What if I said instead of writing "opinion pieces" online you should be out helping the homeless instead of sitting on your butt in front of a computer?
    Yeah I know nothing about you but that doesn't matter does it?
    And yeah you probably volunteer some but it's not enough if it's not every single opportunity in my eyes.
    And yeah of course you can't get mad because I'm only giving an opinion on a matter of which I have no business butting my nose into but it's only my opinion and I'm allowed to have it.

    See how that works?
    Lame.
  • Seriously?
    Okay. I really will be done with soon, but this is too precious not to share.

    Following my own advice, googled 'comic con supernatural'

    The first entry the search turned up was a link to the CW Source website with YouTube clips from last years Comic Con in San Diego with Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki on the Supernatural panel.

    But it's the second entry that the search turned up that really takes the biscuit!

    http://thetvaddict.com/2007/07/28/comic-con-liv...

    A blog post from this very website which immediately hits you in the face with a photo of Jensen Ackles signing autographs at the 2007 Comic Con.

    The irony of that is just too hilarious for words.

    Thank you all. It's been real!
  • Seriously?
    I'd said just about all I wanted to about this topic, but luke amuses me and I just can't resist.

    He's never going to be a Supernatural fan because of what he's witnessed here? Seriously?

    I'll be the first to admit that there is a lot of craziness in the Supernatural fandom (and most other fandoms I've encountered for that matter), but in this blog (and I've only ever seen the two posts about the 'dissing of fans' and the I-was-rite-anyway apology) the craziness really has been minimal.

    The original blogger dissed (to use his own terminology) the stars of a show who are much beloved of the show's fanbase. He expressed his opinion that the stars were neglecting their fandom by not attending a certain con. Quite a few of that fandom expressed their opinions that he was talking out of his arse (and in a fairly insulting way too) using a) wrong information about some things and b) wild assumptions about other things.

    They called him an idiot and implied that his motives were self-serving. Since he implied the same about the motives of Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki for not attending Comic Con, I for one, feel no sympathy.

    But wait! Those guys get PAID MONEY! In fact, a TRUCKLOAD of money according to the speculation here. So Daniel can say what he likes about their motives? I'm really sorry that CT seems to have deleted his/her post defending nice, sweet, kind, most wonderful, unpaid Daniel and saying how much we have hurt Daniel's feelings and reminding us all that Ackles and Padalecki get paid to attend conventions. That really was a corker.

    The guys who dissed the stars of show got dissed by some of the shows fans? Really? Who would have suspected that? Some of those fans aren't keen to forgive him because he still hasn't really apologised for insulting their faves. Once again, really? I'm amazed.

    He's said he was humbly sorry for spouting incorrect information to back up his argument (and only because he was repeated beaten over the head with it, and a simple google search could have prevented it in the first place). He's never apologised for maligning the actors.

    If he did that, I for one would give him full credit. He's more than entitled to think they should go to Comic Con whatever their own professional or personal agendas might be. He's entitled to think that Queen Elizabeth II should attend Comic Con this year, if he wants to. I think he's nuts to do, but he's entitled to his opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

    I really don't care who does and doesn't consider themselves a fan of whatever show. But if what has gone down here scares luke off Supernatural fandom, then maybe he really should steer clear. The GENUINELY crazy and scary fans of Supernatural would definitely be too much for him.

    And maybe he should just steer clear of the show altogether too. It features ghosts, demons and monsters - even clowns! Scary, scary stuff!

    No, luke. You're right. Supernatural might just be a bit to scary for you.
  • Amy
    luke -

    Don't judge the show based on the fandom. I also think the fans are nuts but Supernatural is still my favorite show on TV. I just try and stay away from it's crazy internet fanbase.
  • KK
    The guys attended Comic Con last year after catching a red eye flight because they had been filming until 1 a.m. the day of the Comic Con. The year before, Jensen had filmed until 1 a.m. but was able to catch the red eye flight, and Jared had to cancel because he missed his flight after filming until 3 a.m. So this year they're sending Misha and Jim, two wonderful actors/entertainers to represent the show. I see nothing wrong with that, and as a fan who is attending Comic Con for the first time, I don't feel Jensen and Jared are slighting me in the least. I just appreciate the hard work they do on the show. i've seen them at Creation conventions too and they've been nothing but gracious and kind, even to the "crazies" who think they really ARE Sam and Dean. So I respectively disagree with your opinion that they owe us an appearance at Comic Con.
  • luke
    Thank you Supernatural fans!!!! I'm not a fan of the show and now I never will be....
  • The Other M
    Daniel wrote: "Again, for the inaccuracies in the piece, we are obviously truly sorry. Obviously, we take our credibility and the truth you put in us very seriously."

    The truth we put in you? If we as the readers could put 'truth' in you then you would not have written an outlandishly libelous article about two actors based on the innaccurate statement that they have never attended Comic Con before and that they are 'dissing fans' by not attending this year.

    Want to write an 'opinion piece' that is valid? First make sure your opinions and your statements about any individuals is based on FACTS about them by doing a little something the rest of us call RESEARCH.

    The truth I am giving you here is that assuming you have the right to take Jared and Jensen 'to task', based on inaccurate information about them, coupled with nothing more than wildly speculative assumptions that their rate of pay or any other successful aspect of their career is 'due to the fans' is more in the realm of an outright ranting personal attack than 'opinion piece'.

    You seem to have forgotten that even opinions pieces need to be based on facts and on reliable, trackable information, not wildly speculative and borderline libelious content.

    Another truth I am giving you is that you owe Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles an apology for making libelous and demeaning speculative comments about them on a personal level. The truth is you dissed them with out cause or justifiable reason and based on in accurate and unprovable information.
  • Vanesha
    Posting your opinion is one thing. What I take issue with is the assertion that it is the opinion the fandom as opposed to one self entitled fan. Before you try and wriggle out of it, why say and I quote "If anyone owes their fandom a thank you for five seasons of continuous employment" if you were not claiming to do so. Nothing in your follow up article apologises for that.

    The cast and crew of SPN show the fandom their appreciation every day with everything from the shoutouts on the show, the postcards campaign and their attendence at several conventions. Comic Con is just one event and acting as though Supernatural is being poorly represented without Jared and Jensen is ridiculous - you have the creator, two of the principal writers and two major characters appearing. The only obligation the hardworking cast and crew have is to put on the very best show they can. That's it - anything else is just gravy. They are under no obligation whatsoever to justify themselves to you or have to explain themselves because frankly, your opinion doesn't matter in the decision making process.
  • crypto
    I wrote this on the link below and I repeat it here=
    Look, you are entitled to your personal opinion and so are we. We don't agree at all with your opinion. Mostly, your opinion seems to be based on spite or something akin to it, and I wonder why? These two guys and the whole production are always sooo available, so gracious so uniquely humble that it leads me to believe you may have a personal grudge there. But...that is only my personal opinion of course. Retract, don't retract, you are free to do as you please but, so are we. We stand by our guys.
    read=
    http://www.dvrplayground.com/blog/entry/18896/A...
    Yesterday-s-SUPERNATURAL-Smack-down/;jsessionid=AF40D52E0926E7866AC25690DB0C8C09
  • Mich
    Your articles sound like the rants of an obsessed fan--get a life!
  • cassi
    it's so cute one part believes tv addict didn't get why they are made at him (me too) and the other part is defending tv addict. LOL

    I believe it's the headline which makes most fans (=many comments) angry but that's just my commen sense. ;D

    I'm sure Daniel is an awesome person and I hope he doesn't get sad by all the negative comments but the thing is he wrote a very onesided piece and the fans seem to be in complete disagreement with him, so don't take it personally dear lovely Daniel, most of the commenters don't like your opinion, it's nothing personal, it's just that most fans disagree!
  • Kristen
    Common Sense, your comment is a testament to your name. Finally someone gets it! Blogs are made for OPINIONS! Never once did the author say they were speaking for all SPN fans! You all need to calm down and find something real to complain about!
  • Amy
    This is why I don't like associating myself with the Supernatural fandom. LOL

    Supernatural, I love ya...but you got some crazies up in here.
  • Easterner
    The two matinee idols probably just don't want to go. It will take up their entire weekend if you include the 7-8 hours of flight time between Vancouver and San Diego.

    BTW the J's generosity isn't free. They get paid over $40,000 for the Supernatural conventions which is probably more than what most posters on this board make in a year.
  • Ali
    "Because that’s what the logic you folks are using would indicate…"

    Oh, how precious. By the way, "ascertation"? Not a word. You may be looking for the word "assertion", or perhaps "ascertainment."
  • Common Sense
    This just in: Veronica Mars sucks. Now, BACK you crazies! I've got my own opinions, and I'm not afraid to use 'em.

    How 'bout you all just settle down? Blogs are fun, not gospel or anything. Don't take everything so personally.
  • Dez
    To Seriously?

    A-FUCKING-MEN.

    TV Addict deserves SOME credit for having the balls to admit they got shit wrong, but at the same time, they're missing the point entirely. You ARE entitled to your opinions, but we're also entitled to tell you when we think your opinions are crap. The idea that J & J owe the fans every bit of their time simply because we watch and support a show that they star in is bullshit and so completely off base. They're actors and people. This is their job, not their life. We don't get to demand anything of them. They're not dancing monkeys that perform whenever we wish. They give us what they can of their time, and you should be damn grateful for whatever you get.
  • Megan
    While I appreciate the fact that you apologized about your factual errors, I hardly agree with the fact that they should be at Comic Con. How could there NOT be a scheduling conflict? Even if, by some odd chance, they're not filming that day, they're still stationed in a different country. It takes time to get there and back, time that could be better spent preparing for the next episode.

    Get over yourself, TV Addict. You do not, in any way, shape, or form, speak for the Supernatural fandom.
  • Zaz
    Kudo's to owning up to some errors - but you still deserve a beat down for failing to do your home work. Both actors are going to a convention in August which will have more than a thousand fans that came just to see them. They have gone to 3 other similar conventions since March. Comic-con maybe one of the biggest events dedicated to genre shows and movies but its not dedicated to Supernatural! The only ones losing out is the media that covers these events - the fans are doing just fine thank you. So don't presume to speak for us

    Zaz
  • Beth
    You know what? Fair enough. Daniel, I sincerely apologize for implying that these articles were written in an attempt to garner more page hits and were lacking in journalistic integrity. Obviously, I don't know you personally, and it's completely unfair for me to assume the worst about your professional demeanor and motivation based on this one instance. I'm sorry.

    And, just so we're clear, I really do mean that, and I'm not just trying to ironically make a point. ;-)
  • Seriously?
    Can we all just let poor little unpaid Daniel get away with saying what he likes because he's just the nicest, sweetest, kindest, most wonderful person EVAR?

    Er... no.

    Nice, sweet, kind, most wonderful Daniel needs to realise that if he publishes nasty, sour, unkind, less than wonderfully researched remarks about other people in a public domain, then he's just gotta cop the flak when people choose to point out his errors and inconsistencies.

    If he's entitled to stand by his opinion, then other people are entitled to tell him how stupid they think that opinion is - and to keep telling him until they get tired of doing so.

    Why should they 'move on", if he's determined to 'stand firm'?

    What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. Isn't it?
  • ctynee
    Congratulations to the TTA addict team, at least the site has been interesting again with this Supernatural brouhaha.

    The past days I really did notice that there were notice that few comments or no comments at all but post a Supernatural entry BOOM haha.

    I like this blog before but it went downhill lately but I'm hoping that you will redeem yourselves guys, don't turn into a Perez Hilton type who posts mainly to provoke reaction, bad one that is. How about you get us hyped up with the upcoming fall season, how about some analysis and predictions on how the ratings would be. A post that would invite meaninful discussions not whining
  • Seriously?
    Oh, and I really love the argument that attending conventions that are about Supernatural only is merely 'preaching to the choir' and the stars of the show should attend Comic Con because that will somehow get more peripheral viewers more interested in the show.

    Wasn't the original 'opinion piece' all about the righteous indignation that Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki wouldn't be attending when they OWED it to their FANS! There were even comments insinuating that they were self-serving by attending media events related to other projects in the past.

    The last article was all 'Publicity to promote your work is evil and selfish! You should be there for the FANS! You OWE them everything you have!'

    Suddenly, it's not all about serving the 'TRUE FANS', it's about publicity for the show (which is already being represented at the event by it's creator and other writers and main actors anyway).

    I see that logic and consistency of argument still escapes you.

    Ah, well. Keep trying. You might get there one day.
  • Beth
    Hah, nice job side-stepping the point in an attempt to win a battle that has little to do with the actual issue, ct.
  • ct
    So to those of you who think that we were "lumping all Supernatural fans together"... I assume, then, that when a newspaper reports that people are upset about something, you assume they mean ALL people? Or that when a show's creator says "our fans love this", they are speaking for ALL fans, including those who have been vocally complaining about the very thing the creator is praising?

    Because that's what the logic you folks are using would indicate...
  • Seriously?
    So basically, you're entitled to hold up so-called 'facts' to endorse your opinions, but when these are proven to be incorrect, you don't think you need to re-evaluate your opinion at all?

    Well, congratulations on your overwhelming sense of ignorant entitlement.
    You are right about one thing - every idiot is entitled to express their opinion and expose their idiocy for the world to see. Happens every day and in every way.

    But it takes real integrity and a certain amount of courage to apologise for insulting people on the basis of incorrect 'facts'.

    You insulted the personal characters the actors involved by insinuating that they were neglecting their fans out of laziness, arrogance or 'fear' of those fans. You backed this insinuation up with the wrong assumption that they'd never attended this particular event before. Your headline was not 'Supernatural stars should go to Comic Con no matter what other commitments they have! (and that's just our opinion FYI)', it was 'Supernatural stars diss fans'. It would seem to me that you were in fact foisting your own rudeness, arrogance and sense of entitlement on Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki. Interesting case of transference there, actually.

    It amuses me that you say that your credibility is important to you. Until you are willing to put on you Big-Boy/Girl Pants and properly apologise for the poorly thought out, unresearched and unnecessarily insulting 'opinion piece' that you published, your credibility is gonna be around about zilch.

    And your attempt to suck up to readers with your final comment that 'Like the cast of SUPERNATURAL or any other show, we'd be nothing without you' is really unbelievable.

    It clearly shows that you truly have no shame.

    And no clue.
  • Dana
    I feel like you posted your "opinion piece" just to start wank.
    Wank= page hits. The issue (for me) isn’t the lack of fact check, its that it was written in such a way that it assumed that the whole of spn fandom felt the same way. I'm going to comic con, and I'll admit that I was a little disappointed that the boys weren’t coming this year, but I in no way feel that they owe it to me, as a fan, to show up. I think it is very unfair and misleading to say that they are "dissing the fans" by not attending or insinuate that they are put off by the fans. These boys work hard and I would hate for something like this to get back to them and make them feel like the fanbase is ungrateful. Anywho, thanks for the apology I guess, but you sort of missed the point.
  • KaeDee
    I liked the apology that wasn't really an apology, but a defense of your original article. Nice one! *grin* Really, the whole debacle could have been avoided with a little research on your part. As a genre fan in general (not just SN), its fun to see the "heroes" of our favorite shows, but if circumstances make seeing them impossible, that's the way it is. However, I'm glad I'm not going to Comic Con this year just to see J2! lol
  • Beth
    To be honest, one of the reasons I'm annoyed is because they used the "it's just our opinion" excuse. It is my opinion that, yes, opinions can be wrong, particularly when you're assuming something about someone, celebrity or otherwise. To stand by the claim that these two guys are "dissing the fans" by NOT doing something that they were in no way obligated to do in the first place, is creating a story where there isn't one. I know it's just a tv website, but a little journalistic integrity would be nice.

    At least when they had their facts wrong the opinion made sense, but here they're basically saying "we got the facts wrong, but we stand by the opinion we based on those facts", which...oy.

    Sorry, obviously my frustration goes beyond this little article and is more about the attitude that "opinions are never wrong", I just needed to vent.
  • Mel
    CT I did not miss the point -- -- you don't see a problem with the logic behind "Sorry, I based my opinion on inaccurate information, but that doesn't mean I have to change it!"
    That does actually detract from the opinion put forth.
    In my opinion, of course.
  • Amy D
    I still don't understand why people are getting mad.
    It's your opinion.
    You admitted your mistake.
    You've always said your opinion so why would you stop now.
    This is one of my fave sites and I really do hope that nothing anyone says here will affect the way you do things.
    The people who love this site as much as I do will always stick by it :)
  • Patty
    Props to you for admitting a mistake and still maintaining your opinion despite the ravenous fandom uproar, even if I do disagree with you :)
  • Ace,
    you win for comment of the day!
  • cassi
    Nooo! Smokey you arrogant bastard!
  • I'm with CT. The TVA apologized for his inaccuracies but stood by his opinion. I'll take that.
  • Ace
    I hear Smokey isn't going to the LOST panel either ;-).
  • Ellie
    Kindly stop talking for me as a fan of SPN .Not bothered at all if the guys arent there , but then I dont feel they owe me anything and I actually care and respect them.
  • Bambi
    The problem with your article is that you lumped all of the fans into your opinion of the boy's disrespecting us. When that is far from the truth. Maybe you feel dissed. Nobody else dose. I went to CC last year and was very lucky that they where there. SPN was not my main reason for attending. For that I go to the Creation conventions.
  • ct
    Mousita: I think it goes without saying that any piece posted here -- whether by myself or Daniel or any of the other contributors -- that is not news is our opinion. It's going to get real old real fast if every time we post something we have to take time out to state the obvious "it is our opinion."

    Mel: I think you missed the entire point of today's apology: Yup, the information was inaccurate. That doesn't in any way, shape or form detract from the OPINION that was put forth.

    Sue: I assure you that the other shows involved with Comic Con are thrilled by any and all publicity, whether for their offerings in the genre or for Supernatural or for the fact that there is free parking. All they care about is getting the word out about the event. It's sort of like opening your movie opposite a big blockbuster: Yup, a huge portion of the audience is going to go to theaters for the Will Smith blockbuster. But when not everyone can get into that movie, they'll go see their second choice. Likewise, if thousands of people come to Comic Con for one particular event, they're going to be exposed to (and hopefully hooked by) all the other shows/offerings on display. Come for one show, stay for the genre. Using that same logic in reverse, it's great for the J's — or whoever else — to attend events that are geared only toward SUPERNATURAL fans. But that's a double-edged sword: You're preaching to the choir, as my mama used to say, as opposed to attending a genre-based event where you can not only pay respects to your fans but also try and garner new ones!
  • luke
    WOW people are still mad at you?!?!?! I'm really confused. I guess you can't please everyone. When someone says "we are truly and humbly sorry" how can you still be mad?!?!?
  • ~Mousitsa~
    Daniel, you did the mature and professional thing by admitting your error in this matter. Granted, the original may have been an "opinion piece", but your site has always been a site for TV news - and opinions - that at least made an effort for accuracy and legitimacy. There has been plenty of new SPN news recently, especially in terms of casting, that you could be covering to get the attention to your site... but you didn't say a word about any of that.

    You are completely entitled to your opinion (as are we) and the proper wording would have been "it is our opinion that SPN fans are being dissed", rather than pretending to speak for all the fans in a misguided representation. Whereas you may have gotten some of your iniitial facts wrong, it was still incorrect to pretend to speak for all fans and then hide behind the excuse of 'it's just our opinion.'

    I guess it really boils down to it's been a slow summer... you needed attention... mission accomplished! Hopefully now we can just get past this little silliness and you can provide some real reporting and information.
  • Nick
    I've never been to ComicCon, but honestly, with the high-attendance madness I've seen, I don't think I'd ever *want* to go to ComicCon. Imagine one location, where all the sy-fy geeks have assembled, people who often can't distinguish between fiction and reality. It's scary.

    Note to CW: Glad to see you followed this "story," and I trust that you realize...there's not ONE other show on your network which would ever generate such response. No, not even your beloved Gossip Girl. Isn't it strange that the CW continues to produce girly-type genre shows en masse, when it's plainly obvious that a female on the screen is NOT necessary at all to draw in the female demo? Ponder that one.
  • Mel
    That whole idea of opinions never being 'wrong' is half of what's wrong with civilized discourse on the internet. Absolutely - everyone is entitled to express their opinion -- that's free speech. But if an opinion is based on incorrect information -- its not a very well formed opinion.
    Now if yesterday you had focused on the angle that its a big publicity opportunity for a genre show so the boys should go -- I might have agreed with you. But you didn't. It was dissing the fans.
    Clearly - Supernatural fans do NOT feel dissed by the non-appearance of JA & JP, clearly the CW feels that its got the publicity angle covered, AND you had very basic facts, upon which I assume you at least partially based your opinion, wrong -- and yet you're not going to change your mind? -- and they call us fans crazy.

    I love ya TVAddict -- I really do -- but this is getting page hits the hard way.
  • Nic
    Hahahahaha!
    Huh... Yeah, think that as a way to learn: Next time be sure to make a little research before you post you opinion.
  • Sue
    Fact remains you're comments still came out sounding like the boys owed the genre something by showing up and because they are not you make the assumption that they are dissing the fans.

    As many have commented, the opposite is in effect. The boys spent their hiatus doing nothing but Creation SPN conventions, are gearing up for one in Vancouver in August which is shaping up to be something spectacular, and are now back filming what may be the last season of SPN. They probably spent about as much time in an airport/airplane this break as they have sitting on the ground. Could it possibly be that they boys don't want to attend Comic Con because they just don't want to travel at the moment????? Imagine that.

    Besides, you said it yourself, Comic Con is for the GENRE and the way your comments came it, you made it sound like Supernatural was the only show that made up that GENRE. Clue #1. It isn't. How do you think the other panel guests and stars feel about all this publicity focus on Supernatural and not their own show/movie?

    Jared and Jensen KNOW without a doubt how dedicated their fanbase is and they choose to show it in a manner of being at Creation conventions where the entire convention is dedicated to just Supernatural. It allows them to interact more with those fans and be there for them. Comic Con gives them what? 1 panel that only a few hundred people could get into where Creation can get a whole lot more?

    Sounds to me like maybe Comic Con is just a bit bitter and tvaddict is not far behind.
  • Shanza
    I completely agree with you sue..
  • Beth
    Ugh, now I'm upset with myself for clicking on the link and giving you guys another page hit. Look, the idea that claiming yourself as a "fan" somehow entitles you to be able to see these guys in person whenever you think it's pertinent is ridiculous. It's not like they committed to being at Comic-Con and then backed out. And it's not like there's a lack of interesting people at the Supernatural panel, or other panels. No one's getting ripped off here. Not only that, but you're talking about a couple of dudes who, as far as I know, have been nothing but generous and gracious with their rather enthusiastic fans. Couldn't you find someone more deserving of your vitriol?
  • cassi
    oh, how cute! You even got an email from the Cw, seems like they do care about Supernatural! ;D
    You're clearly entitled to your opinion and if you feel the boys SHOULD show up that's cool! Comic Con is big but it's not the biggest event for Supernatural fans! For everyone who wants to see the two guys, they just have to go to Vancouver in August! No drama!

    I don't know if you saw last year's panel but most questions were directed at the writers, so again it's not such a big thing if the J's miss Comic Con! Sure, it would great if the two could make it but maybe this year they want to try a panel with Misha and Jim!
  • Mario
    thumbs up!
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