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That’s a pretty awesome statement. I wasn’t aware that there was “fandom concerns” over Dean being a dick, but it’s still pretty awesome that Kripke addressed it. Season 4 is by FAR the best yet, as promised. Thanks Kripke&Co

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LOL, Kripke iz in ur fandomz, watching u wank.

Thank you Mr Kripke! Now maybe the gathering roar will settle down BEFORE it can become a tidal wave!

SPN fandom’s new slogan: Dean is not a dick. *snicker*

Thank you Kripke for clearing up that particular issue and for creating even more mystery and suspense at the same time.

Wow. Definitely thanks, Eric, for clearing that up. Dean is NOT a dick. I have to admit, on the boards that I’m on, just stating how disturbing that was and how AWFUL the episode was wasn’t a very popular opinion. I usually do state the “underdog” opinion, but yes, I said it. I’m amazed and relieved that you responded this time. BTW, just for the record. The real reason that didn’t come through is those new writers aren’t that great. If you saw my original statement, I said they need to be forced to watch the show “preferably with their eyes held open with toothpicks while tied to a chair.” I still mean that. Seriously. Now if we can just have a chat about this “angel/mission from god” business…..

I appreciate the fact that Eric Kripke cares enough about his fans to address their concerns and hope he doesn’t just listen to the overwhelming voices he hears in some of the more rabid online sites. There are a number of fans who are less vocal, understand the subtleties of the writers and didn’t think Dean was in any way being devalued just by the use of the wod “dick.” Many of those less vocal fans are much more concerned about the fact that Sam was once again denied any interaction with his family in “In the Beginning” and we are getting a little impatient waiting for some insight into Sam and his internal emotional baggage. (Just a little impatient, though… we are still watching in hopeful anticipation…) Thanks to Kripke and Company for creating a show that is responsible for such a strong emotional reaction!

Thanks Mr. Kripke. It’s nice to have it verified that we were missing something.

Mr, Kripke, no apology necessary! If fans paid attention to the entire scene, they would have heard Sam clarify that Dean uses fear as a weapon and that’s why he was infected.

Frankly, Eric, I’d like to see a little more SAM and know more about what makes Sam tick than Dean. We’ve gotten plenty of Dean so far this season, but very little of the internal workings of Sam.

More Sam, please? I love both boys equally, but I feel a distinct lack of the younger brother so far this year!

Your adoring fan, Robin

Amen, Rachel. You know we’ll get villified, but I agree 100%. It’s so blatant even Dean girls are complaining. The “Dean Show” is getting real old, real fast.
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Eric Kripke, you rock!

The fact that you’ll take time out of what must always be a very busy day to address fan concerns is just so AWESOME!!! I’ve never seen a more considerate or cool showrunner than yourself, and know that you’ve got me as a fan of SN for life!!!

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Awww, Kripke cares so much about keeping the fanom happy. What a pal. He totally didn’t have to give out that statement, and I didn’t expect him to, but it was very generous either way. Now I’m really excited about what Dean’s secret is!

[...] TheTVAddict.com has a message from Eric Kripke himself regarding fan reaction to “Yellow Fever”. (Mild spoilers for a future [...]

Dude, it’s his show. If Sam’s motivations aren’t part of the plan, they aren’t part of the plan. I’m getting tired of fans ‘demanding’ things from the creators. First it was “I hate Jo, make her go away WAH’, then ‘omg the show’s female characters suck because (blah blah), make them go AWAY’ followed by ‘Yay Bobby can stay’ (which, I love Bobby, but for the love of anything holy, is there a character that embodies the deus ex machina trope more than Bobby Singer?). We also got “Dean’s not part of the mythology, quit discrimination against Dean, can’t you see how awesome he is an deserves to have a place in show that goes above and beyond his womanizing, borderline stupid character”. And now there’s this “Dean’s a dick, the writers said so” and “By the way, gimme more Sam! The show’s about the WinchesterS, so yeah, more Sammeh plz, kthxbye”

Enough already, watch the show and stop trying to make it fit your expectations. Giving criticism is more than fair, but demanding character developments and storyline changes is completely out of line.

Kaylan, just to clear up my position - I think Sam was shafted in season 2 as well. Season 2 was all about Dean’s daddy issues. He had 10 freaking episodes dedicated to his daddy angst, meanwhile, Sam had one throwaway line in Everybody Loves a Clown, and then he was apparently completely over it. And when Dean wasn’t angsting about his father, he was angsting about Sam (not like we’d see Sam angst about his own destiny or anything. That would be too weird!) So I have not switched my complaint. It remains the same: I’d for Sam to have the kind of expose that Dean does. Thus far, everything on this show since season 2 has revolved around how Dean thinks and feels. Kripke would never, ever, EVER do an episode with 40 seconds of Sam, or push Dean’s story to the backburner (or drop it completely) like he did in season 3. I wish he’d comment on THAT.

Oh my gosh - too much! haha - really as someone has already pointed out all that legitimate upset over lack of Sam backstory and we get nothing, (which is fine) and then one little word and the rabid - dare I say - fundamentalist Dean fans freak out enough to get you to respond??? You are too good sir, and I’m sure have better things to do. And doncha know, you’ll never please them….

I can see it now: the next rabid outbreak will be “Dean has a dark secret?” Something he’s ashamed of? Something he did in hell after years or torture??? How could those horrible writers trash Dean’s character like that?!!! It’s character assasination I tell you, ASSASINATION! hahahaha. …. or not. REally not. Its annoying.

You have a phenomenal show - it was really nice what you did, but don’t let the rabid few (who post way more than the normal happy people) make you think you and the whole team are not appreciated. It was a wonderful episode. Kudos.

Never once did I assume that Dean contracted the illness because he was a dick. I figured it was the fear issue. They do scare people all the time and live in a constant state of fear.

Thank you Mr. Kripke for clearing that up for those narrow minded few.

Winchester07
Two Rivers WI

I have to admit, the fact that he chose to comment on this and has completely ignored any concerns regarding the wonderful Jared Padalecki and Sam’s part on the show has me worried, does he really bow that much to the pressure of of a certain group of fans?What about Sa?And the fact that he has been almsot completely ignored so far this season?

You’ve got to love Kripke. I can’t think of another fandom where the creator of the show cares as much about the fans.
Thank you Mr.Kripke for responding to the fans..

I was kind of hoping he was announcing that Jensen would lip sync to a song at the end of every episode, LOL. I didn’t realize that there was concerns over the whole “dick” issue. I didn’t see it as a problem but now that he’s addressed it and has revealed there’s a secret I’m very excited!

Thanks for clearing up the dick issue Eric.

I was confused by the reasoning behind it and wasn’t sure how seriously we should take Dean’s hallucinations since they seemed to be manifestations of his subconscious fears which may or may not be valid. Obviously there were some nuggets of truth in there that will prove important in up-coming episodes.

Also I just want to say that this the season has been amazing so far. I love the direction of the mytharc and the addition of the new character(s). I think this has been the strongest season so far and I can hardly wait for each new episode to air. Awesome work all around.

ackkkkk. episode 10. your killin us here Kripke. but of course we follow you every week.

I confess to chronic lurking but Mr. Kripke’s response requires a response.

Contrary to Mr. Kripkes’ statement, he has in responded to directly to fans before and always in defense of Dean. I’m amazed that after all the uproar and concern this season and this is what elicits a response? Seriously? Amazed and disappointed.

I’m pleased that after several weeks of not hearing Mr. Kripke so much as mention Sam’s name in connection with an episode, we’re at least finally getting a brief mention of him in the weekly episode video update. I foolishly thought that the disillusionment of half the fan base might have gotten some acknowledgement. Apparently that’s not the case.

Mr. Kripke, Some attempt to explain why a show that used to be about two brothers is now the tale of Dean Winchester and his mysterious and generally silent and missing brother Sam would be appreciated. Perhaps that’s it – we’re back to the basic mythology of S1. Only now instead of “find Dad” its “where did Sam go”.

Dear Mr. Kripke,
I thank you for taking the time to respond to the fans but the fact that you are responding to this just makes me lose even more hope about my favorite character Sam. I have been waiting for some development from him for quite some time. While I enjoyed seeing Sam step up a bit as protector of Dean in season two while Dean mourned the loss of their father, I was expecting to see Sam’s daddy issues addressed eventually though too. They weren’t. I still had hope in season three as well that we’d learn more about Sammy. I enjoyed Mystery Spot especially because we got a look inside Sam’s head and it was something I had been dying for. I still clung (like a life preserver in a storm tossed sea) to hope for Sam development in season four because I do understand that the writer’s strike could have caused Sam’s storyline to be scaled back. Now I have lost all hope with all these Dean heavy/Dean angsty episodes, and just dropped right into a pit of despair, much like the one Sam is in (that we never get to see delved into).

You see Kripke, I have a darkside too. That’s why I love Sam so much, because I totally relate to him. I suffer with mental illness and sometimes it feels like this darkness in me and I feel like giving up. When I watched Houses Of The Holy, I could understand what Sam was going through, that crisis of faith. I loved the idea that you were bringing religion into the show, by the way, although now I’m not so sure, what with the angels not even liking poor Sammy. In HOTH, Sam needed to believe there was something bigger out there that cared about him and I feel the same way. I remember some Dean fans were bashing Sam because he said that Dean was just one person. Well I have a very supportive family who are there for me but I still sometimes feel like they can’t truly understand. So I hold tight to my faith because I feel like God truly gets me and maybe my suffering is not in vain. I pray everyday like Sam that things will be better. So now you have angels hating Sam for something he didn’t choose. He didn’t ask for demon blood just like I didn’t ask to be stricken with anxiety and depression. Where does that leave me if God would hate someone who is truly suffering over something they didn’t ask for? Where does that leave Sammy?

I just want to see Sam, the hero, because he is a hero too, not a selfish bastard as some people have called him. I have no interest in evil Sam whatsoever. The Sam I know and love would never go evil. The Sam I know would rather die, did die, than hurt someone. I want to see more of what Sam is going through like we saw in Metamorphosis. What happened to Sam when he died? I want to see Sam conquer this darkside. Sam used to give me hope. Give me hope Mr. Kripke.

Dean IS a dick, and that’s why I love him so much.

Could we finally be getting an answer to why Dean’s eyes bled in Bloody Mary?

I never thought Dean was a dick. I don’t think Sam is selfish either.

Mr. Kripke,

first of all, thank you for addressing this. I personally really appreaciate this.
I haven’t been around fanboards but I know that my reaction during that scene was ‘Dean is not a dick! I think that in his school days he was most likely the kid who went against the bullies!’.

I honestly didn’t get that Lilith was implying Dean had a secret. to me, it could mean anything, even that he knew deep in his heart that he was a dick. I’m really happy this was not the case.

I’m loving season 4. Congratulations for you and all Supernatural family!

Oh, yes. Totally the Dean Winchester show now. <-sarcasm

Especially what with the episode “In the Beginning” where Sam only had 44 seconds on screen. It was all about Dean. EVEN WHEN it turned out to be ALL ABOUT Sam by the end of that episode.

And Yellow Fever was all about Dean, as well. Never mind that Dean was reduced to a scared child and SAM stepped up and TOOK CARE of EVERYTHING. Sam was confident, composed, and focused on the hunt. He saved the day and Dean by himself–admittedly with help from Bobby, but Sam was essentially on his own with this one when fighting the ghost and when taking care of his afflicted brother.

Yep. This is totally the Dean Winchester show now. Only six episodes into twenty-two, but obvious it is all about Dean.

Man, I really hope you can catch the sarcasm.

Good to know this is confirmed before the fact that people are accusing Sam you know, the second lead in this show of RAPE? Good to know it’s the issue of Dean not being a dick clarified first, that’s always good to know. *Spot the sarcasm*.

I feel like I should give up on this show sometimes, but you created two brothers who I loved, who’s relationship I loved and who I adored individually and you’ve literally over the past two seasons turned Sam into a complete stranger, Mystery Spot was the only episode in about two seasons now where we got to see how Sam felt.

THAT should be a favourite episode of yours not the ones done for laughs or comedic effect.

Sort Sam out and quickly or you’re going to lose half your fanbase.

Moderator, this post has edited the last paragraph to remove something I thought better about. If you could post this one and delete that one I’d appreciate it.

I really appreciate your statment Mr Kripke. I really do, I think it’s wonderful you care so much and are so nice to us. I have to admit it doesn’t make me feel any better. The problem wasn’t so much with being a dick as with what it implied. It still leaves us with the fact that poor Luther felt Dean should be ranked with murderers because of something he’s done and I don’t understand this need to constantly make Dean “the bad one”. Sam was alone for quite a while, supposedly the worst, most horrible months of his life and yet he apparently never did anything that would cause Luther to choose him to infect.

For 3 seasons we’ve been teased by Sam’s supposed dark side being around the corner someplace yet he never does anything, he’s never called on any bad behavior and everyone around him is guilty of things as bad and usually worse than he ever has been or apparently ever will be.

Even now there are tons of Sam-vils dropping about how Sam will be pushed into because of the behavior of people around him, with Jack, with Luther’s brother’s statements, with Sam whining about how no one understands his special pain. How about letting the people around him, like Dean, off the hook for once and allow his bad decisions to be because of some real genuine negative flaw in his character, like pride, like arrogance and actually have it really cost him something and cost the people around him something. It actually might make Sam more interesting and allow many of us to sympathize more with him.

You know there were lots of POWs who never turned, assuming this is what will happen, who never “used fear as a weapon” to make things easier on themselves so I have no idea why you would have to rank Dean with the despised ones who did. I don’t care if he was in Hell. So was John. So was Ruby and yet apparently she’s some reformed Demon but Dean did something so awful he’d be ranked with the likes of bullies and murderers? It wasn’t bad enough Dean got sent to Hell and that he was tortured, he has to be brought down even further by making him party to some awful thing?

If there is anyone on this show who does NOT need to be brought down a peg it’s Dean. The guy’s self worth was already in the dumpster. I don’t understand why torturing him wasn’t enough, that you would have to leave him with the memories of doing awful things as well, as if he didn’t have enough of that while he was alive. Goodness knows his failures and weaknesses are always having bright lights shined on them.

This constant need to bring Dean down lower than low and focus on his wrongdoings while constantly building up or at least not ever allowing any criticism within the show itself to stick to Sam doesn’t strike me as a balanced way to characterize them. You know , once in a while Dean should be allowed to legimiately be up on that “high horse” he is never, ever allowed to be on that Uriel says he should get down off of in the next episode, Sam’s almost never been down from his.

Good to know Dean’s not a dick, but I kinda knew that anyway.

But the real question is this: WHEN are we going to learn more about SAM? I feel like I’m left hanging so much every single week because this season’s being so close-lipped about Sam’s story! Why haven’t you said something to address the fact that people are actively accusing Sam of RAPE, Mr. Kripke?

I’d truly like an explanation there, not something as insignificant as this.

Signed, a truly confused fan

You know. If Sam fans stopped paying attention to Dean and how much time he’s on and what the show is doing with Dean vs what it’s doing with Sam, and how many scenes Dean has compared to how many Sam has and on an on, mayby you’d see that Sam has had characterization. It’s just that most of the Sam fans want Sam to be perfect and have no faults and be a two dimensional cardboard hero, so when Sam is shown to have faults , or characterization that they don’t like, they ignore it and then complain that Sam doesn’t get anything.

Yes he does. He’s always had it. Can you believe Sam fans actually time the amount of minutes Sam and Dean are on? How stupid is that?

You want to know about Sam? Pay attention to Sam then and stop paying attention to Dean or looking at the clock to time how long Dean is on the scene.

I can tell you more about Sam than I can about Dean. And it’s not pretty, but none of the Sam fans want that. They just want Superhero pristine Sam with no faults who will sit there every episode and monologue all his feelings so that the fans can know exactly every little thought that Sam can fart out of his mouth.

Move on Sam fans. The show is now about both brothers, not just Sam. Deal with it. It’s about time that Dean got something outside of being SuperSams brother there to live and breathe only for Sam and nothing else.

I have to agree with Dana here! The direction that this show is heading in has me nervous. I love both boys, the TWO of them are the reason why I fell in love with the show. Honestly, if I had happened to watch a few of the season 3 eps or even a few of the season 4 eps as my first viewing of this show, I would’ve stopped watching. However, I (thankfully) started watching from the very beginning, so I know what exactly this show is capable of - and what the boys mean to each other. Unfortuantly I don’t really see the brotherly concern and bonding anymore.

In fact, it seems like Dean is portrayed as the poor little messed up good guy - the hero- that would die for his brother, while Sam is made out to be this selfish brother whose keeping secrets and lying. *Sigh*

I understand that this show can’t stay as it was on season 1 and 2, that it needs to grow and expand, and I get that Sam was alone for 4 months, and may be a little darker because of it, but I guess I always just wanted to believe that deep down Sam is still the gentle soul that he was at the beginning.

…not the Winchester that’s being accused of rape (the Ruby issue), because honestly, I don’t care how alone Sam was during Dean’s stay in Hell - his character would never rape an innocent girl. Mr. Kripke, us fans would love to have THAT issue cleared up (don’t you agree that it’s more important than knowing whether not Dean is a dick?).

There is a lot of Sam bashing going on these days - the fandom is becoming more and more divided - and it needs to stop. This show needs BOTH boys to carry on.

This is the Dean show, nor is it the Sam show. It’s a show about two brothers kicking ass and taking names!

I think we all need to take care to remember that - whether you are and extreme Dean girl or an extreme Sam girl.

-Ashley

Everyone with half a brain knows Deans not and never has been portrayed as a dick in any way, it’s how you’re writing Sam that you need to worry about Kripke.

Is he sleeping with Ruby? And what the hell IS he thinking about anything, it’s not like you’re giving Jared much to work with, what the poor kid does get he knocks out of the park with no well done or recognition, least you could do is give him a storyline.

You say you pushed sam’s story back in s3 because of the writers strike and Dean’s deal saga, well how about now? What’s your excuse now? What’s the excuse for giving us literally no insight into Sam’s head and expecting us to still understand him.

You have answered the most trivial fan wank ever and have completely ignore the issues we are concerned about the most, Sam’s characterization, Sam’s mentality and Sam and Ruby.

I hope to god you know what you’re doing.

Its pretty bizarre to me that Kripke would respond to the very loud fans about this but ignore the whole Sam is a rapist and also the crap that Jared got thrown at him about this very subject a few weeks ago. Yeah I can see how its alot more important that people don’t think that the writers view dean as a dick, the writers allowing Sam to be a rapist or viewed as one doesn’t rate compared to that.
And allowing the very find Jared Padalecki to be villified by deranged fans also doesn’t rate compared to poor little Dean being called a dick. Whatever.

I think Kripke responded to “dick-gate” because it was a story-telling issue that might affect the way viewers interpret the storyline in the next few episodes. That’s probably also the reason why the Sam-having-sex-with-Ruby issue has not been addressed. That is a mystery that is still unfolding just like the Dean’s secrets about Hell. The difference is that everybody got the hints about Sam and Ruby doing the deed, but some sloppy writing made the big secret reveal fly over people’s heads.

It has nothing to do with Sam vs. Dean and I think you Sam fans are making complete fools of yourselves by swarming this and other sites where the announcement has been put up. But then again, you’ve been doing the same thing all summer. I find it hilarious that you Sam fans claim to be the quiet part of fandom. You’re not quiet and you haven’t been since early season 2. You’re just a heck of a lot smaller than the parts of fandom that love both brothers or that love Dean.

Anyway I’m loving this season. I’m actually finding Sam more interesting than I ever have before and of course I love Dean, flaws and all.

OMG! Enough about Dean, already. Obviously Kripke and the writers are obsessed with Dean’s character and for the past two and a half-seasons we have been treated to one Dean-centric show after another. Many of us would like Kripke to say ANYTHING about Sam’s character onscreen or off. The skewing of Supernatural toward showcasing Dean is changing the dynamic that hooked many fans in the first place. It’s as if every Star Wars movie featured Han and his reactions to Luke rather than the hero’s journey. In my mind, both brothers are heroes. I wish Kripke & Co would focus more on the brother relationship and showcase Sam’s side of things once in a while.

Galveston, I think it’s okay to express our opinions online. I don’t get embarrassed for fans until they start letter campaigns to the creator, or go to cons and ask stupid questions of the people involved with the show, things like that. Online discussion, though… I think it’s okay to say what we liked and didn’t like. I didn’t see any discussion about the dick theory that was overtly whiny… mostly, I just saw people being like, “Really? That doesn’t make sense. I kind of hated that.” with reasonable discussion of why they didn’t like it.

Honestly, I think if most people met Mr. Kripke face to face, they’d say the show is wonderful, they’re so happy he created it, etc… because most of the time, that’s how we feel. But sometimes, if something in an episode is weird or makes someone feel less than squeeful, talking about it online with other people who feel the same way (and with people who feel differently) helps us get our feelings in order about it.

So, don’t be embarrassed. We all talk about things online, and unless Kripke was getting phone calls at his office or something, he only knows about it because he cares about how we feel, not because people were forcing their opinions on him. I think it speaks well of Kripke, not ill of the fanbase. But if he comes out with the revelation that people WERE emailing and calling him about it, then I’ll agree with you on being embarrassed.

Great to hear. I wasn’t terribly upset by that, but it’s good to hear it didn’t translate as it should have.

Now can someone on staff please write Sam with some of the depth Dean gets? Pretty please, with cherries on top?

Thanks for the clarification–but I have to admit I’m a little disappointed. Dean told Meg he was going to march straight into hell and kill every one of you sons-of-bitches..So, naturally I assumed Dean was going to spend his 40 years helltime making good on his threat. But a hero hunting down demons on their own turf? Forget it. To do something that awesome, you absolutely gotta be a dick!

(Aw, the heck with it! Dicks are everywhere. Heroes are rare.)

Also? Sorry, I didn’t read all the comments; I didn’t mean to jump on the Sam bandwagon..

I love Dean, for the record (oh, do I), but I also love Sam (oh, do I). I get that there’s a bit of mystery building going on, but unfortunately the way it is coming off is rather imbalanced. It wouldn’t actally take that much refinement to make Sam more three dimensional. So far this year? He’s pretty two dimensional.

In fact, going back quite a long time, even when an episode is about him he rarely seems to get the real meaty stuff. Which he (and JP) deserve.

I think that’s the crux ofwhat most Sam fans are concerned about.

YMMV.

*laughs* I get rather aggitated honestly that fans get so heated on matters like this and piss and moan. You and the writers fight so hard to make the episodes and characters grow and develope, and always be as true to form and outstanding as they can possibly be. I found the fact scene rather comical that this was being put into question, but thought Jared’s line of pointing out that those using “fear as a weapon” clarified the matter quite well. As did the scene with Lilith that hinted to later bits that we’ll just have to watch out for. I’ve always been happy that the SN fandom is the only I have ever seen that is so close and friendly, but yes…sometimes I’ve noticed that they tend to jump and snap for reasons I just don’t get. And for those that DO..well they’ll just have to get over it. *shakes head.* I don’t get that mentality. *laughs*

Reason number one to avoid SPN fandom. I watch the show. I like the show. I can’t stand the fandom. It is like Harry Potter fandom puked on Supernatural and out came SPN fandom. Ew.

Wow, so, Dean’s not a dick? Thank God we have you, Mr. Kripke, to clear those important questions up for us.

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Seriously, though? Eric Kripke is one of my favorite people, and I’ll defend pretty much any decision that he makes to the death, but for the last few months, I’ve kinda gotten the feeling that he’s having a little bit of fun with us fans, because we’re so much fun to wind up over things. Remember what he said about Kristy being Sam’s “love interest” and how he had to come out a few weeks later or whatever and cop to that being a tease?

I admit I’m one of the people screaming the loudest about the lack of Sam and the assassination of his character for the last couple years, but I’m also not under any impression that Mr. Kripke is listening to anything that’s said about Sam. In fact, I was shocked when Robert Singer addressed Sam and Ruby in his recent interview, because I didn’t really think anyone remembered there was another brother.

Yeah I don’t know why people think it’s embarrassing for Kripke to address a problem in his episode. The problem was with the writing, not the fact that people were complaining about it. Let’s face it, complaining is pretty much the raison d’etre of online fandoms. God knows it certainly is for both Sam and Dean fans.

It is completely up to Kripke if he wants to address any and all ongoing complaints or not. He’s certainly ignored plenty in the past which is also perfectly fine.

If he chose to directly address the dick issue, I’m sure he has his own reasons which have very little to do with the actual complaints themselves. Truth is there have been much bigger wanks in the past that have been ignored and eventually go away while others continue to linger and fester.

This seems to be a very specific situation which as some others have said probably comes down to the upcoming direction of the story. I for one am glad that Kripke took the time to bring some clarity to some poor writing.

Mr. Kripke, I apologise for my fandom.

Clearly we forget whose story this is, and we forget to trust the story-tellers. It’s early yet. Please, let’s all just Wait And See.

I think something is brewing with Sam, and I think it’s gonna be Big.

Also? When have we *ever* had a good look in Sam’s head? He’s always been an enigma, a connundrum. Now he’s just more so. *shrugs* Personally, I’m delighted with this season to date, and more than glad to come along for the ride.

We’ll learn about Sam soon enough. I’m positive.

I don’t care who they concentrate on as long as the show is on the air. However I do get the point that Sam has been on the back burner this season especially. However on other websites during season 2 they complained that there was too much Sam and not enough Dean. So I feel like that complaint has been reversed.

Though I do understand the concerns about Sam. The fact that he is being accused of stuff that is far worse then Dean being called a dick. I don’t like that either and being that I am hoping the show will explore more of Sam and what has faced without Dean and what he did during Dean’s absence. I love both Sam and Dean. I think they are both heros and I wish people would just enjoy the show.

Eric?

Amongs all the hue and cry - something positive for you.

Thank you for the AWESOME surprise you gave us at the end of this last episode. That video so totally ROCKED! And Jensen is absolutely made of awesome! Thank you for such a treat. Thank you for thinking of us. Thank you for trying your heart out.

And while I’m at it, thank you for naming the character, “Jamie,” in “Monster Movie,” after that sweet chronically ill girl. You made her whole year. You made the better parts of a fandom smile.

Season 4 rocks, sir. Your fandom just keeps forgetting to include the positives along with the complaints. Clearly we all could use lessons in how to deliver “constructive critisism”. As a writer, I remain all to aware.
Cheers ~

Erin

Lame, Kripke, lame. Dean sucks this season thanks to you.

So let me see if I understand this righ:. Using “fear as a weapon.” And Sam has never done this? I guess pointing the Colt at the witches in “Malleus Maleficarum” and threatening to destroy their lives and their souls was just good fun? How about Jeremy in “Dream a Little Dream?” Sam didn’t use fear as a weapon there? Just as examples. So it still doesn’t explain why Sam didn’t get infected. Except his Mary Sue status, of course.

Mr. Kripke,
I adore you and worship the ground you create this show on. This season has been made of awesome so far. (And I’ve forgiven you for that horrible cliffhanger sending Dean to hell. Why, yes, I AM overly invested in the character of Dean Winchester, why do you ask?)

I really did find the implication that Dean is associated personality-wise with the guy that dragged an innocent guy behind his car until he was dead very upsetting. Being a dick and a bully with its inherent sadism and lack of empathy — preying on people weaker than yourself is the absolute antithesis of being a hero.

You’re a truly a wonderful man for caring about what fans of the show think. I’m sorry that we’re such high maintenance.

I think that Dean and Sam Winchester are two of the greatest characters ever created for television and are the best examples of heroes currently on TV.

Supernatural is the best show on TV.

Thanks, EK.

Melanie

This is directed at the people saying that Sam fans should shut up and that they are embarrassing. Seriously? Dean fans make such a fuss over one line, over the implication that OMG Dean might be a bit of a dick, that Kripke feels he has to make a statement and its Sam fans that are embarrassing? You have got to be kidding.

II have to start off by saying WTF!!!! What true fan of Supernatural would of been upset by Sam calling Dean a “dick”? I know I wasn’t, i cracked up laughing, because I know as does any other “true” fan, the relationship between these brothers and also the characteristics of these characters.

I feel that Eric Kripke shouldn’t of had to apologise to “these upset” fans. Kripke and the writers have done an awesome job with Supernatural so far and if these “so called fans” want to complain about this one tiny comment and not follow the reasoning behind the storyline and some of its hidden secrets, then I think they should stop watching the show and stop giving the “true” fan of the show a bad name.

Keep on rocking Kripke, the writers, the crew and especially the boys! We all luv ya heaps! xoxoxo

Guess what Sam fans, it wasn’t just Dean fans making a big deal over the line. Where I was it was pretty much 75% of the fans and that included all types, Dean, Sam and Bi-Bro–were like “Dean’s a dick? That’s a really lame reason for it, Sam’s a dick too why woudn’t he get it”.

There were quite a few professional reviews I read today which stated that Dean was targeted because he was A DICK. So clearly those non-Dean fans did not pick up on the overly subtle hints either as they were stating in their reviews that the reason for Dean’s infection is because he’s a dick. That is probably why Kripke said something. If the professional reviews hadn’t been stating it, he probably would have just put it down to idiot fans. But because quite a few of them did - he most likely realized the writing really fell down on the issue and it was important to clear up before the next episode.

God knows they drop enough anvils about poor little Sammy and how he’s not responsible for his own actions, it’s just because of how this cold cruel world and his dick of an older brother don’t understand poor itty bitty Sammy and will force him to go dark, only he won’t reallly be dark, he’ll just be misunderstood. So I think they could have spared the subte on the reason for Dean’s infection. You want whitewashing? You want Saintification and Gary Stuing? That’s it’s right there. Sam never bieng responsible for his actions. Everyone around Sam misunderstanding his pure and noble actions and in fact doing far worse things themselves than Sam and loyal sidekick Ruby the Good Demon.

The whole “rape” thing - seriously do you really think that’s going ot happen? That’s is probably why Kripke hasn’t said anything about. So that way he can show everyone has just misunderstood Pure and Noble Sam and Pure and Noble Ruby’s Pure and Noble intentions and how they would never do something like that. No way Ruby and Sam have ever done the deed.

Trust me, many Dean fans would gladly trade episodes like Yellow Fever over to Sam. They always use episode 6 to focus on Dean and episode 6 always sucks, except possibly for Skin which I thought was awesome, because they give them to new untried writers. Then, the established writers seem to just toss those writers to wolves by not going over the scripts with a fine tooth to comb to make sure there aren’t plotholes or characterization problems.

Of course it would really help if they forced the new writers to watch every single episode of the show before writing for it so that way they’d have a grip on the characters that goes beyond the CW Character Descriptions. Maybe they should give them a quiz to make sure they’ve actually done their homework.

I’d have loved it if they’d written the script as is and then just traded Dean and Sam’s names on the script and made a few minor changes to specific events(like instead of what Dean did in Hell, what Sam did during his 4 months) and given this trainwreck of an episode to Sam.

If THIS is really the sort of focus and development you are jealous about for Sam, you can have it.

EK
I am sorry you have to deal with this crap. People obviously don’t understand a joke. Thanks for a wonderful that I enjoy every single week.

I would love to stop paying some attention to Dean but the problem is he is my face every episode,
I seriously have to laugh Dean gets called a dick and Eric Kripke rides in to defend yet says nothing to protect Sam.
I am sorely disappointed I did have respect for Eric but this he to me as shown where his mind set is and its clearly is with Dean.Not once as he adressed the legitmate concerns of the Sam fan base yet the moment the Dean fandom starts moaning in he comes . I am clearly as unimportant as Sam is and so it seems is the rest of the fanbase that happen to love Sam. Mr Kripke you fail big time , you have failed Sam and us , mores the pity because I would gladly of kept on supporting your show but not now.

Thank You Eric Kripke for creating the best show ever and delivering the best season so far. Some advice, stop reading the websites and continue to do what you do best with the awesome team you’ve put together.
Also to the fandom out there demanding to know why nothing has been said about Sam&Ruby, why wouldn’t you watch the show to find out. You’re guessing and building all these scenarios and now are demanding that the creator comment on something that wasn’t ever seen on screen. Yet, you blast him for commenting on something that actually aired.

Dear Eric

Back away from the fandom and never come back, seriously, it’ll mess with your head. I trust you to give us the show you want and I dont care if Dean is or isnt a dick or Sam is or isnt a rapist or whatever. I love this show, it’s incredible entertainment and I watch it for that. I laugh and I cry, but I dont get so involved that I can no longer separate reality from fiction. Just do what you do and ignore what the fandom is saying.

So sam is a rapist and dean is a dick. Luckily for the dick he’s the hero according to the show’s creator.

The rapist is only a prop this season. Very dissapointing that the storyline with which the show began i not even handled and one of the co-leads is pushed to the back-burner.

I need more Sam beefore I get totally orn with ever suffering dean in peril. This one sidedness iis getting boring. It was about two brothers? Right? Did I miss something ro is this only about Dean’s hero-journey?

Whoever thought that Dean is a dck, well nobody said that oud loud, so I have no idea why you are making such a fuss about nothing.

As of the scene with Lilith… For me it was very clear that something happened that we don’t know yet or didn’t realize affected Dean that way.

So, yes stop bitching aboutfiction.
JUST WATCH THE DAMN SHOW AND SHUT UP.

Dear Mr. Kripke,

Thank you so much for writing the show and making it so successful that I can watch it in Austria too. I love the show for what it is, the comedy, thrill and action, the boys and the story.

Thank you .

Wow.

Point one: Mr Kripke very clearly stated that “We, as the writers, probably should have emphasized this mystery more, I take responsibility for that omission.” That is the single, most likely reason for his post. This was an accidental, unintentional flaw in the writing that he wanted to address and apologise for.

That is the ONLY issue here.

Kripke’s comment is NOT indicative of the fact that our beloved showrunner apparently likes Dean more than Sam. Nor that Sam is irrelevant to the show. Or that Jared is less important than Jensen. And certainly not that he is weakly pandering to one half of this insane fandom while deliberately and maliciously ignoring the other.

SERIOUSLY PEOPLE. We’ve been with this show for nearly 4 years. Does ANYTHING here actually gel with the Eric Kripke we know who has woven the story of these two brothers for us almost flawlessly for three seasons?

I didn’t watch the series from the very beginning. I assumed it was a cheap X-Files knockoff with gorgeous young guys instead of intelligent, mature FBI agents. But I could not have been more wrong. When I did start watching, I was quite literally amazed at how well the series wove intense, meaningful character stories with the general plot each week. That’s not something you can always expect from network television. But they did it. And they continue to do it, in a way that is organic, realistic and necessary owing to the context of the season.

Dean was pulled out of HELL. By an ANGEL sent from GOD. For the story to proceed REALISTICALLY, I would hope to god that a large chunk of the season be spent addressing that. I won’t get pulled into the ‘who gets more screen time’ debate, but I have to say, season 1 and a large chunk of season 2, were massively Sam focused. So if the story now necessitates Dean being brought to the forefront for a while, then the writers would absolutely NOT be doing their job if they didn’t do just that. Writers don’t create groundbreaking television by trying to be popular. Go check out Buffy as a case in point.

What’s more, I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Sam’s character, thoughts and emotions will at some point be addressed in a way that will satisfy everyone. Because that is simply what this show does. When i’m watching other shows, I regularly say to myself “Man, that’s massive. That really needs to be addressed. Pity it wont be”.

Its the opposite on SPN. Four years in and I have absolute faith that this writing staff without a DOUBT know what they’re doing. In my opinion, there’s no better show on tv right now for that reason. (Well, other than The Shield, but, that’s hardly a fair comparison)

So, CALM DOWN fandom.

This was addressed because it wasn’t just another crazy-fandom-issue-of-the-week (or month, or year). It was what Kripke believes to be a flaw in the writing, so he wanted to clarify the point. Simple as that.

Relax, and have some faith in your damn show. Particularly since it hasn’t missed a beat in 4 years and amazingly somehow just keeps getting better.

And for god’s sake stop attacking the showrunner. It’s embarrassing. Attack his story decisions all you like, but leave the man himself alone. Supernatural is getting more media attention than ever this year. I honestly believe we’re a little more mature than the Harry Potter fandom. Can we pretty please try to act accordingly?

The creator feeling the need to explain things?

Proof that the episode was simply REALLY BADLY WRITTEN.

Oh, well. 2×06 was Supernatural’s version of Lanaville, 3×06 was full of deluded-old-chick-is-into-young-stud-the-nation-cringes-haha-isn’t-it-funny misogyny, and 4×06 was a chunky, illogical mess that couldn’t decide whether it wanted to do comedy or drama. Seems that episode number has been doomed ever since they got it right in the first season with “Skin”.

Dean is a dick, you created him, why are you telling he isn’t?. We’ve been watching the show for 4 years now.

Btw, Sam/Ruby RULZ!

Does Kripke realize he has a two lead show? Or is Jared Padalecki just window dressing? Funny how regardless of the vicious criticisms of Sam Winchester, the show runner has never come to his defense nor even allowed Sam to defend himself on the show. Seriously, just kill him off and rename the show the Dean Winchester Hour.

*snort*
Wow… just wow.
The responding comments to Kripke’s blurb are just mind boggling.
I completely agree with Carol.
Dude.. you want to make the show all about Sam or Dean, get some money, pitch an idea to a studio head and do it your way.
This is HIS way, and frankly, I’m just peachy keen with it.
I watch an hour of either angst, gore or haha and it pleases me.
Besides, do you really see either ACTOR complaining about their roles in the show? No. They’re more than satisfied with the way their characters are developing. In fact, I think there should be MORE episodes where it’s centered around one brother or the other, just to give the opposing actor a bit of a break from shooting.
They work above and beyond the hours that their fellow actors do, so I think everyone should just shut their trap, sit on their butts and watch two Texan boys be big ol’ dicks to each other.
Cuz that’s the way Kripke made them and that’s the way I like them.

*hugs Kripke*

I think a lot of these comments from some of the Dean fans speak for themselves. They don’t like Sam! That’s the difference between a lot of Sam fans and Dean fans, most Sam fans adore Dean. They watch the show for both brothers and I’m one of those people. I just want to know more about Sam because we have been promised more from Sam for awhile and we simply haven’t gotten it.

Some of the comments here were just plain contradictory and I think people need to take a look back at what they said. They said Sam fans want Saint Sammy. I think that is totally wrong. Dean fans obviously want a St. Dean, otherwise they wouldn’t have flipped out over Dean being called a dick. For the record, I never thought Dean was a dick at all. I thought he was infected because like the people who targeted Luthor and didn’t accept his differences, Dean can’t fully accept that Sam’s different. Like Sam said, he can’t just wipe the demon blood clean. Unfortunately, it’s now a part of him and Sam doesn’t deserve two fists in the face for it or to be told he should be hunted, Would the Dean fans say that was wrong and that Dean shouldn’t have done it? I doubt it. Did the Sam fans cry foul over it? Maybe some did, but of course it wasn’t addressed at all. Most of the Dean fans claimed Dean was justified just as they said he was justified in Bloodlust because afterall Sam shouldn’t be a good brother and want Dean to address his feelings. No he shouldn’t be so persistant. In other words Sam shouldn’t be such a dick. Do I like the way Sam is behaving this season? No, not at all. At least Metamorphosis finally gave me some small glimmer of hope for Sam though. When we’ll get more, who knows.

I think it’s Sam’s faults that are being heavily emphasized over Dean’s. There is the implication about him and Ruby as well as him keeping secrets from Dean and using his powers. Castiel pointed out Sam’s faults quite a bit in episode 3. He was basically referred to as a bad brother and Dean was told Sam had lost favor with God. So if anyone is being painted as a Saint this season it’s Dean. He was pulled from hell by God, given a divine mission and told to stop his evil little brother. Sam is basically now the enemy so for those who claim Kripke is just balancing things off with the mytharc, I don’t buy it. Sam’s character is being assassinated both left and right on screen and by the Dean fans who won’t take a moment to understand him. The Sam fans struggle to piece Sam’s thought process together with the little bits we get and some of the Dean fans just aren’t invested. If they don’t see it all on screen, they choose to believe that Sam is an unfeeling, selfish bastard. Even when they do see it, Sam is just whiny and selfish again. They call SAM a dick. It’s sad to see that you don’t address this at all Mr. Kripke. So Dean’s not a dick, but I guess it’s fine that some people think Sam is one and worse. Way to show that the Sam fans just don’t matter and to justify the actions of some of the rabid Dean fans.

Looks like all the SamFan sockpuppets have come out to play.

Too bad they just don’t seem to be getting it but that’s probably because they have no interest in good writing or the story as a whole. All they want is all Jared all the time and preferably shirtless. (Not that I would object to the latter mind you.)

But yeah, these little sock puppets, as usual, are missing the point.

Golly. There are 128 responses. If you read them all Mr Kripke, you’re a better man than I. And I’m not even a man… But in the fond hope that you do read the responses, I just wanted to add another positive voice and sing the praises of Supernatural. Hands down its my favourite show and it’s just been getting better from season to season. I trust you and the writers that all will be revealed and explained in due time.

I’ve never understood why some get so upset or angry based on one episode. This section of the Sam n’ Dean saga is 22 episodes long and we’re only 6 in. If Supernatural were a novel and chapter 6 shocked and maybe upset you would you put the book down without waiting to find out what happened next? Like why that chapter said what it did? It’s like the rating systems that the US (I’m in South Africa) puts so much store into when it comes to tv shows - never understood why a show is judged episode by episode rather than as a complete season or entity. But that’s a whole other story.

Suffice to say, I appreciate the gesture but am saddened that you felt you had to do it based on fan vitriol. I’ll say it again - I adore this show. You’ve created in Sam and Dean my two favourite characters ever and I can’t wait to see what is in store for us for the rest of the season. I have faith, Mr Kripke!

Lastly, a small comment on “Yellow Fever” – that ending, with the flash of yellow in Sam’s eyes? Has to be the most chilling thing I’ve ever seen on SPN! Bravo!!! *applauds*

Oh Kripke. You poor, poor deluded fool. Did you REALLY think this was a good idea? Did you HONESTLY think this would bring an end to the infinite and endless wank of the eternally dissatisfied fans? Really? You poor, deluded, foolish man. Have you not learned in the past four years that there is simply a portion of the fandom that you will NEVER make happy. Never!! They’ll whine that there’s too much Sam and not enough Dean in the story. They’ll whine that there’s too much Dean and not enough Sam. They’ll whine if you try to add characters to YOUR show. They’ll whine if you don’t. Honey you NEED to take a reality pill and realize that you will NEVER, EVER make those (miniscule but vocal) parts of fandom happy. Ever! Really! So just stop. Don’t try to clarify or justify a storyline. No good will come of it. The wank will NOT end. Because you will never be able to make them happy. Unless you let them come sit down at a computer in your office and write their own little Mary Sue stories to suit their own little agendas. And THAT, Mr. Kripke? That I absolutely DO NOT WANT!!!!!! I want to watch the show I’ve loved for three years. The show I’ve followed faithfully since the very first episode. The show I’ve loved even when the storylines faltered a little bit. Because it’s to be expected that you can’t pitch a no-hitter every single time out of the bullpen. At least it’s expected by reasonable, sensible fans. Which most of us are. Really.

Dear Mr. Kripke,
I’m a fan of your show. Have been for three years and I’ve loved every episode of season 4 so far. To be honest I’m just very thankful that the show is even still on the air! Thank you (and your hardworking crew) for all the hard work you do!!!
Now a word of advice. Do yourself and the fans a BIG favor. Put down the keyboard and step away from the internet. Stop going to message boards (especially TWOP!!) and stop trolling LiveJournal. For the fan’s own sake and the sake of your own sanity just STEP AWAY from fandom a little bit. Otherwise the show I love so much is going to become nothing but the same crap I don’t bother to watch on the other networks. And that would make me very, very sad.

Much love & respect,
Danni

I agree with Kaylan and Carol. It’s his show! yes, its nice to be able to tell peoplw what we think about episodes but that doesnt mean people need to go around complaining about everything. dean is a dick sometimes (i still love him btw!). dean is a dick and sam is emo. that is just their traits. but obviously dean got the disease because of his secret. but sam doesnt know about that so he just put 2 and 2 together.
and sams storyline is SUPPOSED to be in the background for now. the thing with his powers has been a story since the very beginning and it been building up since then. obviously its not gonna be the main focus all the time because when it really does explode its gonna be big. so chances are this is all happening on purpose.
so maybe we should just shut up and wait to see what happens and let kripke get on with the show. you know…the WRITER? he’s never disappointed us yet so have some faith people, he’s too good to just ditch a storyline that he’s been writing about since season1.
p.s. you should also be nice to kripke if you want more than 5 seasons
p.p.s. all hail kripke! we know you have it tough from fangirls in all directions. but you’re still awesome.

“Dean is one of the show’s two heroes and the vastly more popular brother. Kripke cannot afford to have 75% of his audience”

This amuses me no end. Thanks for the laugh.

So for four years people have been trying to prove that Sam is in fact a selfish SOB and there’s been countless people rallying about how Sam’s not nearly appreciative enough, how he’s not as good, not as anything, and that’s not bad? But a few people trying to explain a slightly jerkish side to Dean’s character and we need to have the creator swoop in to rectify the situation?

The Sam-hate in this fandom is far more rampant and far more ingrained. I get that Sam girls are the lesser part of fandom and I guess it’s nice to know just where we stand in Kripke’s eyes and in the majority of Dean girls as well. And for the record, if this is how Sam is going to be treated and if this is how Sam fans are treated, I’m not sure I care how long the show goes.

I’m not asking for Dean to go away. I don’t think Dean is a jerk. I just want equity, something that’s been lacking since S2 by Kripke’s own words (the brushing aside of Sam’s daddy issues, the entirety of S3 and now in S4). Either that or just kill Sam off and put the rest of us Sam fans out of our misery.

This episod more tragic than previous.
Amazing, unusuly, but not funny. For humor masks a very great depth.
4.06 - best of this season (on day).
Dostoevsky nervously smoking on the sidelines))

Dude…peeps…chill out! I love the show just as much as the next devoted fan, but, seriously, quit whining about Sam and Dean.

If you seriously thought Dean is a dick and had to have the creator come out and say he’s not before you believed him, then you’re crazier than I though.

And if you seriously need the creator to come and and alleviate your fears about Sammy, then you’re basically crazy, too. Sam has demon blood in him, he’s on a “dark path.” We aren’t SUPPOSED to know everything about him. We don’t know if he’s 100% good or fighting the bad. We can’t just have the creator come out and like “Hey, Sam is perfect. Lay off.” That would destroy the illusion. Sam and Dean are on separate paths, fighting internal battles. Sam is very complicated and the writers know that.

Just because Kripke came out to clear something up that (apparently) too many people couldn’t understand, does not mean that he is ignoring Sammy. The show is about both of them and the writers appreciate that.

Please stop getting butt-hurt…it is sort of pathetic.

I actually thought that was pretty obvious… I mean, there was the whole thing with Lilith, and then, earlier in the episode, there was the whole thing with the sheriff that gave me an instant flashback to the “Bloody Mary” episode. Might not have anything to do with that one, but it certainly clued me in to the secret thing instantly…

Honestly, I think it would have been much less effective, had they addressed it any more explicitly in the episode.

Count me as one fan utterly sick of watching The Dean Show this season. It’s unbearable and depressing watching Sam get sidelined over and over and over again for Dean’s daddy issues (um, and Dean was the brother who got the “extra cookie” all the time - favored by Dad, favored by Kripke? - Sam was the family outcast and suddenly his issues don’t matter anymore!!!). All the writers would have to do is give Sam the same amount of time on character and plot issues and this wouldn’t be a problem. And I bet Sam would be more popular as well, because fans would actually get a chance to know him as well as they do Dean. I am dreading Dean’s secrets, his PTSD from hell, his emo everything. I am bored and done with it already. I have barely connected to this season emotionally because of the way Sam has been cut out of further and equal exploration at nearly every level.

Kripke, give us some Sam, please!!!! You are losing a good portion of this show’s fans by the way you treat Sam. When you are ignoring Sam, you are ignoring me. I’ll keep watching this show until it is over, and I could even live with 7 seasons of it, but my heart is broken. This show is not about family or brothers, and has not been since John died. Sam may get killed by his own brother, and Kripke wants us to feel sorry for Dean about this. Well, I am sorry, but my emotional connection to this show is through Sam. I want them both to be heroes, and treated like heroes. I want Sam’s POV to matter as much as Dean’s, for once! I want Sam’s feelings and thoughts to matter as much as Dean’s, for once! I want Kripke to talk about Jared and Sam in public, for once! This has been the worst season first half yet! I hate this format of splitting the brother’s storylines - it always means that Dean gets the entire season for his story and Sam winds up with 4 episodes here and there. It sucks. It is bad writing! And it does nothing but hurt Sam’s level and depth of characterisation.

Jared Padalecki is an awesome, beautiful actor, and he has shown over and over again that he can totally nail his big episodes and scenes. Why doesn’t he get rewarded for this? Why doesn’t Kripke ever say nice things about Jared, ever???? Why can’t the writers play to his strengths and help him build new ones? I have never felt so sad for an actor as I do for Jared on Supernatural. He deserves a better writing and production team, he truly does. And if Kripke used Jared fully, Supernatural would be a better show than it already is.

I’m not against Dean, I am against the lack of balance with Sam. Everything about Dean is so OTT that I need Sam to bring some naturalism to the show. I NEED SAM. My favorite part of this show is the interaction between the brothers, which means both need to be there. I just want Sam to get what Dean is getting. This is only a two lead show, so why is this so hard? Give Sam some funny lines, if need be, just make them in character for Sam. Give Sam some music, some hobbies, some likes and dislikes, tell us how he feels when terrible things happen, rather than pretending nothing happened at all by the next episode. Kripke is letting Sam die on the vine this year. This has been my worst viewing and fan experience of the show yet. Dean’s time in hell has been nothing compared to my torment over this show’s continued lack of quality time for Sam.

I am so glad that Kripke sent out this message! I spent HOURS trying to convince people on the CW boards that our Dean is *not* a dick…I didn’t know if the “you know why” sentence was as meaningful as it seemed and now I guess we’ve got that answer as well.

I am so glad that it has been reaffirmed that Dean Winchester is an FRELLING HERO. Because, he totally is. Rock on, Kripke and co.

Tvaddict, thanks for passing along the message!!!

Why would we all just assume that Dean was a dick? Dean is and always will be a hero!

**sigh** As sure as the sun will rise, Dean-fans will claim “it’s all about Sam” and Sam-fans will claim “it’s all about Dean”. I just want it to be ALL ABOUT THE BROTHERS - Sam AND Dean - they are the heart and soul of the show. Both are heroes. And as long as no one loses focus of that, SN will continue to be fantastic. We’ve done our job converting new viewers and getting the word out. And we’ve been treated to the first 4 utterly incredibly, fantastic episodes of unparalleled quality. Perhaps we’ve been a little spoiled with that quality such that when we have an “average” episode, we freak. But even an average SN episode is still heads above other stuff on TV. The ratings are better than ever before, and holding steady.. So…. can we celebrate here for a moment?

In the meantime, perhaps Mr. Kripke needs to expand his horizons when it comes to forum surfing and not rely only on TWOP. The CW Board, SN.tv, even the Yahoo group, did not make an issue out of this. If ALL forums had exploded with a particular topic… then I would worry, but there are certainly much more serious issues to address than this Dick line.

Season 4 has been phenomenal and I can’t wait to see how it unfolds.

Mr. Kripke thank you for taking time out of your incredibly busy schedule to address your crazed fans!!!! You are the best!!!!

I never really thought much about the dick line myself, cause I just thought it had more to do with Dean being an very assertive…… GUY!!!! Besides, it was Sam’s “theory” on what the Ghost sickness was latching onto……certainly not a clear fact. If anyone has been watching the last last FOUR seasons they KNOW that Dean is a HERO!!!!! Now THAT is a FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That said, I have to agree with Danni. Step away from the internet and do what you do so well. Most of the fanwank is us talking to ourselves. Because it’s all anonymous unkind things are said, that people would certainly never say to your face. And, most are not even thinking about what you would think or feel about it.

You’re gonna have to accept this, before it drives you nuts. I love that you’re listening…..I love that you care…..but you can’t let it influence the direction you’re taking.

Thanks again…..for bringing us one of the finest shows on television. Some of us really do appreciate the hard work that goes into making every episode……from the writers, producers, crew and the actors. I for one can tell that you’re putting your heart and soul into this…….so THANK YOU!!!!!

Thank you Kripke for a terrific show!! thank you for clearing up the dick comment :).. thank you for not giving up on this fabulous show, despite the ehm… somewhat grumpy fans reactions. Hehe… I have loved every episode of this show, from season 1. I am a Dean girl, I have however, never felt Dean was sidelined, even though I knew Sam was the main lead. - probably due to the Jensen-effect… Jensen tends to mesmerize me, even if he is “sidelined”.

This season is so far more about Dean, I cannot find any fault with that. Sam has had his past seasons as main focus. Thank you for giving Dean among others his own mytharc.

Fantastic show. Please give us a season 5 too with the wonderful characters Dean and Sam, played by the even more wonderful actors Jensen and Jared.

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Dear Mr. Kripke,

Please, please could you stop pandering to the rabid Dean fans and maybe also read the opinions of fans across the internet, not just the extreme opinions (overwhelmingly Dean biased and Sam hating) you will find at TWOP. The majority of your fans do not think the way these people do, they are a very small minority albeit a very loud and very, very nasty one.

Supposedly Supernatural is *your* show, not their’s. Although since S2 it’s become increasingly obvious that these rabid Dean fans who want SPN to be All About Dean are the ones who are really in control.

that is nice to hear, but actually - anyone who truly thought dean was less of a hero because of that one line in one single episode should go get their head examined. yes, dean can be a dick, and he does use fear as a weapong sometimes, but mostly it was just a joke. and anyway, everyone is a dick sometimes.

& while i still like this show (not as much as i did in season 1/2) i have to say that this is more than a bit sad, mister kripke. you needed to make a press release because of one line? seriously sorry, but WTF? if you start to do things like that you won’t be taken seriously by anyone - least of all the fans. you’re he boss, boss. you shouldn’t let yourself be influenced by fans like that, it just makes everyone miserable & will make fans whine even more. and fans always whine. ALWAYS! (and i’m not excluding myself from this.)

& while i’m maybe a bit more of a sam-girl, what i really love about this show is the brothers. so i’m really hating this stupid dean vs sam war that’s going on. and every thing like this - you making a press release just because of one line, concerning dean! - will make everything so much worse. because it’s worse than ever right now!

please stop it, just stop. do what you think should be done on the show, not what you think the fans wanna see. pretty please?

~ a disappointed fan, who has pretty much lost all hope that season 4 will be about the BROTHERS again, and not only about one of them.

Yes, it’s so much better that he panders to the other whiny minority of the fandom. You’re so totally right.

Kripke can have all the reasons in the world and that’s fine as long as they’re HIS reasons. He shouldn’t be pandering to anyone. And if it is his intention to make Dean the lead character, it would help a lot of fans make their decisions regarding the show and not sit and wonder what on earth is going on. Everyone thinks they’re the “true fan.” Problem is, the idea of a “true fan” is completely subjective.

Sam girls have every right in the world to wonder why on earth Sam is being neglected and why on earth Kripke ONLY talks about Dean. It’s really quite noticeable. As a solitary event, this little statement about Dean’s heroism is fine and dandy. I don’t care so much. But in context of all of Kripke’s comments from S3 and on and give the fact that the beginning of the season is SO Dean focused to the point where one ep Sam wasn’t even really in it, yeah, this pushes some people over the edge. You don’t have to like it. But we’ve seen that whining has gotten the Dean girls somewhere so maybe we’re just taking a page out of that book. Or maybe we’re so fed up that we don’t give a crap anymore. This will NEVER be the Sam show, we’re not that delusional. We’d just like to know that he’s still a moderately important character.

I don’t think either side is wrong here, and I’m not going to defend Sam. At this point, I’m going to defend myself. I am neither irrational nor am I ignorant. I am passionate. Just as Deangirls are passionate about Dean, Samgirls are passionate about Sam. It’s why I watch the show, but Sam wouldn’t be Sam without Dean and vice versa. And Kripke is laughing his a** off at all of us.
Remember after HOTH he said no angels no way. He also said nobody’s going to Hell, we don’t have the budget. He said Kristy was a love interest for Sam. Then he said he was just messing with fans.
I think he likes headgames and we’ve fallen for them.
I don’t want Sam to be sweet and innocent. I want him moody, worried and a tad bit guilty. But to be the hero he’s proven himself to be.
I don’t want Dean to be all religious and spiteful. I want him to be a love’em and leave’em, sarcastic smartass. I want him to keep family first like he always does. I want him to be the two fisted, ready to protect the innocent - hero that he is.
I know change is inevitable but I want them to be BROTHERS again.

Josie–I might want to have your children. Or sacrifice my firstborn to the altar of your awesome. You’ve very clearly put together and highlighted every single problem I’ve had with this whole situation and why this ~*~VERY SPESHUL ANNOUCEMENT~*~ is just the straw that’s breaking this camel’s back.

Why has it become a “Sam vs. Dean” think??? this is ridiculous! I though it was amusing to read what some of you were saying at first, but now I am genuinely peeved. The show is about BOTH of them. And the show has gone through phases where it focuses on one character for a while and then the other. So everyone stop bickering. No wonder everyone hates supernatural girls.

BTW I have always preferred Sam over Dean, but it was not until I read your guy’s comments that the thought about Sam being sidelined even occurred to me. I still think it is stupid…he will have his spotlight soon enough.

And all of you who are claiming to be “true fans” or that there are “sides” to choose from are just pathetic…an embarrassment to the fandom. Get over yourself and enjoy that you even HAVE a fourth season and that it is as well written and acted as it is. Seriously…I’m ashamed to be part of the same fandom as some of you.

***I feel for you Eric Kripke…please don’t hold this whining excuses for fans against the rest of us! We love the show, I swear!***

Josie, I think I love you! I couldn’t agree more. We get, if we’re lucky, one character-based episode for Sam a season since season 2. Did we get a SINGLE episode about his grief over his father? No. Did we get 10 for Dean’s daddy issues? Yes. Sam doesn’t get jack for characterization - he just pops up in random scenes (drunk!Sam in Playthings? How dumb and awkwardly written was that?) and enlightens us out of the clear blue how he’s been feeling offscreen, and then goes back to being wallpaper who feels and thinks nothing.. It’s like Stanford, Jessica, John, the YED, his mother, his death - none of it ever happened to him.

I for one am LIVID that Kripke took the Sam storyline about Mary, which he has been dangling in front of me for three seasons with no growth or movement, and then handed it over to Dean on a platter, complete with John, grandparents, an Angel and the YED. I mean, it’s like Sam is an only child. I guess we never see him ask or search for what happened to Mary again now that Dean’s got it all figured out. I’d love to see Kripke write an episode with 40 seconds of Dean in it.

I am also LIVID that Kripke couldn’t seem to manage to move the mytharc - the only thing that Sam had going for his character on this show - along until Saint Dean was finally tied to it. Now that Saint Dean is super speschul and God commands it, finally the shiny new story can be told! WITHOUT SAM. The entire mytharc has been altered to be about Angel’s and God’s plan, and that has tossed Sam right out of the show completely.

So, basically, Sam has no characterization and no plot beyond maybe, potentially going evil - which has been happening for three freaking seasons. No wonder Kripke doesn’t talk about Sam/Jared in any interviews or spoilers - Kripke obviously doesn’t consider him to be an important part of the story anymore. He doesn’t even consider him to be an important enough character to talk about. Kripke’s not keeping a plot secret about Sam, he’s actually got nothing to say about the character. I guess when he got tired of the Psychic Kids he also got tired of Sam.

Comment on that, Kripke. The lack of Sam characterization and plot is a hell of a lot more important to the story than whether or not some extreme Dean fangirls on TWoP (which is NOT a normal barometer of the fandom) think Saint Dean was unfairly called dick.

I just want to take a moment to thank everyone who has expressed concern for Sam’s character and for the lack of brothers this season, especially Josie, Rachel, and Rache’s comments, you said it so much better than I ever could.

I hope that Mr. Kripke takes the time to read these comments. They are a testament to the passion and love that fans have for the show and for the Winchester Brothers.

I am sorry he did this, over a pointless thing, if Mr Kripke favours Dean fine but he still as a responsability to Sam and sorry you havent stepped up for him, what I dont get is what is not understood that not everybody watches for Dean although I like Dean but this weird thing of thrusting him at us every episode its not necessary . 6 episodes in and I am fed up already with Dean and hs sl and whos fault is that?
On the whole the Sam fandom as been pretty good but the patience is running out , you ignore Sams concerns , you ignore our concerns and yet we support your show we promote it and you turn around and basically stick two fingers up at us. TWO brothers Mr Kripke TWO not Dean and Dean , but Dean and Sam , the mytharc was Sams long before Dean was involved he doesnt deserve to be lost from his own sl does he .

I can’t believe there was even a “dick” issue. That scene was hilarious and that’s how I took it…some good natured banter between Sam & Dean. Kripke is right the “listen to your heart” is what hooked me and made me ask the question of why Dean got the sickness. Despite all that I think that Kripke and Co. is awesome not just in this instance but overall they listen to the fans and that is not recognized enough. There is no doubt that Kripke has his story to tell and I think it is by far the best story around but its nice to know that at the same time the show wouldn’t be what it is without the support of the viewers and fans and knowing that the entire cast and crew take that into account and week after week make create these amazing episodes…I’m in awe! Thanks!

ok, i have to leave for work in 8min and i’m not even dressed yet. this response is not to the BELOVED Mr Erik Kripke, but to the LOSER called mel who reponded on October 27th, 2008 at 9:09 am. you are such a loser! who is taking a fictional character a TAD TOO SERIOUSLY? OH that would be YOU MEL!!! OMG! WTF!! come on!! Erik created these characters. they ARE his “children” and they are damn good ones too, real or not! Mel, you need to take a flippin chill-pill and rethink why you yourself even bothered to take ssssoooo much time to chew out Eric. perhaps you are jealous and you are craving some “deangirl”, as you call them, action. don’t hate Dean or Jensen just because they both Kick-Ass and deserve it and you are sitting at home , alone, jacking-off to these girls and their comments. get a life!!!! i have worked at a hopsital for the past 11yrs and am surrounded by death, all i want is so come home and watch something that will take my mind off of the worls chaos. Christ! isn’t that why we watch these show and movies, to escape our own messed up lives. so i will say it again, GET A LIFE! and then perhaps you’ll see who needs the, “Reality Check” as you put it.
AND, as for you MR KRIPKE; KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!! IN EVERYTHING YOU DO :0)

Holy Eric Kripke.

I came on here , pleased the Eric had responded to our comments. That he actually cares that much about his fans. I scrolled down to the comments, blissfully unaware of the hell that followed.
Seriously guys , Stop with the Sam vs. Dean stuff. It’s getting old.YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY ! I actually know some very nice , Sam Girls . But some of the ones on these comments are just tearing Kripke up. I can’t belive you guys would actually say this stuff to him !

Kripke , you’re amazing, I have full faith in this season. Please keep it going , and ignore all the crazy comments. We love Supernatural , and you! Thanks so much for this.

Okay, I really am amused about posts freaking out about people freaking out. It goes so far to prove the point. Truly. It does. I SO agree now.

There seems to be a question regarding ownership. If we’re supposed to question Kripke’s decisions because he is the creator or not. The thing is that this is a TV show. Anything put out there for public viewing begs response. And that doesn’t mean just happy squees. It can manifest in a lot of ways. Given the fact that Kripke IS so receptive to fandom, it seems silly for people who are unhappy to sit here and twiddle their thumbs quietly when they’re not happy with the way things are going. If we want more Sam, we’re going to ask for more Sam. I for one am truly perplexed by Kripke’s seeming abandonment of Sam’s character and because I am thoroughly invested in this show, it totally bothers me way more than it reasonably should. So I don’t see why I should be happy when the show is being geared more and more toward a faction of fandom I am not in tandem with.

And for the record, this has nothing to do with Kripke as a person. I don’t know the man. But his show is out there for the world to see. So it’s fair game for praise and criticism alike.

I fully understand criticism and wanting more of something. But Christ, have faith in the man. Just because you don’t see it IN THE FIRST SIX EPISODES OF THE SEASON may I add, doesn’t mean you’re not goin to get it. There’s constructive criticism and then there’s just bein plain rude. I would hope everyone is mature enough to understand that.

Wow… my 15 year old daughter got the humor in the “Dean is a dick” joke. We laughed like crazy, ’cause let’s face it - Dean is a dick a lot of the time! We thought it was actually pretty obvious that there were secrets alluded to, and again…we ain’t the very smartest of folk out there! It’s a tv show guys! It’s great to be passionate about it - my family loves it too, but when you rationalize rude behavior as passion or give yourself permission to be obnoxious (and calling people names etc… is obnoxious - it just is!) because of the anonymity of the internet, then it’s time to do some reflecting on just who’s being a dick. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with stating your opinions, your criticisms, your beefs, etc… but some of you seem to have forgotten that you can disagree with people without being nasty. I don’t know…maybe all the nasty campaign ads have gotten to you! How sad that we all can’t remember that first and foremost we are all fans of a great show (which makes us agree with each other…riiiight?) and then disagree with each other on the finer points, in an unembarrassing way from there. I don’t think that we need to go all Pollyanna, but could we tone down the she-demon?

ok, i got tired of reading all of the responses, i just want to say one thing… STOP COMPLAINING, and don’t try to change the show, it’s perfect the way it is, if the writters want to talk about Dean, they can talk about Dean, if they want to talk about Sam, talk about Sam. (I do admit though, i’m a Dean fan ) I don’t care, the episodes are awesome, and I’ve been a fan since season1. I support the show no matter what they do. I know Dean is a hero, every fan knows that. Just let the show flow, they can make whatever they want to happen, happen. (sigh) sheesh, it’s good to get that out of my head. (goes to watch supernatural marathon…with popcorn.)

cant wait for epidode 10.

Sure, Dean can be a bit of a dick sometimes, but so can SAM. So can anyone. I think that’s what was confusing. Sam stands there and implies that it’s because Dean is a dick is the reason that he’s infected, but Sam isn’t a dick at all so that’s why he’s not infected. I mean, I guess I didn’t think Sam was just saying it to be cruel to Dean (”sorry you’re dying because you’re a dick, Dean”), but now I realize that was kind of the case. Why else would Sam even mention it (and make a point of saying that HE isn’t one?). I think the writing should have been clearer about the real reason for Dean being infected.

It’s kind of appropriate that the Sam is the whiny one because so are the Sam fans here. I think Kripke is doing the right thing by focussing on Dean so far this season. The ratings are great. I think it’s the best season yet! And more Castiel, please!

Oh, and that video of Jensen rocking out to Eye of the Tiger is awesome! Jensen is the BEST. And he was excellent in this episode too!

Ok, thanks, I guess?

I mean, after 4 years of watching Dean save people and battle evil, I GUESS there might have still been a question in some fans minds that Dean maybe wasn’t a hero…

Meanwhile, I’ll just grab my battle gear and wade back out into the world of SN boards and try to fight against the GIGANTIC TIDAL WAVE of “Sam is a traitor for hanging out with Ruby” and “Sam is a rapist or a necrophiliac”.

So, thanks for the support. Seriously. I think I’ll just go shoot my TV now.

Ahhhh … another step up to defend Dean? When I first read this EK, I have to tell you, I rolled my eyes and uttered the P word at you … for not sticking to your guns and telling the original story you had planned. You know; the one about TWO brothers. Oh? You forgot? Ahhh, yes, I see … since Season two it has been the Dean Show and his faithful sidekick … oldwhatshisname.

I for one am here to tell you that I started watching this show because it was about two brothers. Because I love both Dean and Sam, and that I want the tale told of THEM … not The Great and Power DW and … yeah, that other guy that rides shotgun.

This is from the woman (Hell Eric, I grew up in your era, so yes, no kid here) that defended you all throughout Season two when most Sam fans were crying, kicking, and screaming for more insight. But I hate to break it to you, and to everyone else who cares to read. Dean can be a dick. So can Sam. Hell, so can Bobby, John, and every other male that has been on the show. It’s a male trait, just like all women have a tendency to be a bitch.

But Eric, the biggest dick of all … is you. For allowing a group of fans (who let’s face it, are going to drool over Dean and continue to watch the amazing Dean show no matter what you do) to alter your course and make you change you vision. A vision of two brothers on a road trip fighting evil. It’s called Supernatural, not the Dean Winchester show.

For that I say shame on you!

Mal you are hilarious. Anyone who doesn’t think Sam is the next true Messiah on SNTV is rapidly browbeaten, insulted and screamed off the site all in the name of combating negativity towards the show.

Yet all the same complaints that you have posted here (almost word for word in some cases) continue to flourish and fester on that board. The only Dean fans left on that site are the ones who are too stubborn to completely forfeit SNTV to the SamWhiners or have bought into the propaganda that Sam is the centre of the universe and Dean is only awesome because he thinks that Sam is the centre of the universe and anyone who thinks differently is Evil.

That’s why Dean fans have no sympathy for your dissatisfaction with having less focus on Sam for the early part of this season. Honestly I love Sam and I can’t wait to see where Kripke is taking his character but his fans are the most entitled bunch of whiners I’ve ever seen.

Lolzy? What the hell are you talking about? I belong to one tiny site that is a devotion to Sam Winchester site, where there is no battle about the damn brothers, and I belong to a public board where Dean fans out number Sam fans about 10 to 1. The oly reason I bother posting there is because I have many friends among the Bi-brother crowd, since I love both brothers as well.

I complained HERE about having to constantly battle the rape/necorphilia deal, which I think is a valid complaint. What LIST of ‘word for word’ complaints are you talking about???

And, for the record, I’ve never bashed Dean. EVER. He is my second favorite character on television.

But see, I don’t NEED to bring Dean down in order to love Sam. I can love him for the wonderful character bubbling just below the surface, waiting to be explored, and wow, I can still love Dean.

Geez you guys.

Thanks doublek. You won me $10. I bet a Samgirl friend of mine that it would only be a matter of time before you guys started making personal attacks against Jensen. Never fails.

What a bunch of mouthbreathers you are.

I honestly don’t know what Sam fans are worried about. He’s Kripke’s avatar, his Mary Sue. Kripke has said this since the beginning of the series. A recent interview with Misha Collins confirmed that the angels are possibly looking at Sam as a great and powerful ally, there has been absolutely nothing indicating that Sam has done ANYTHING wrong, he’s always on the right side of every issue (if you lie to Sam, you’re wrong, and if Sam lies to you, you’re STILL wrong)… Sam’s always gonna be perfect and pure and right, guys. It’s Dean who’s constantly in the grey areas, constantly screwing up and being punished for it and having to claw his way back up from the mud, never being recognized as anything but a bully and a bastard. Of course we believe it when the episode tells us that he’s a bully… it’s not as easy when you’re a 3-D character, rather than the author’s Marty Stu. I agree with you all that Sam lacks in characterization, but he’s never gonna get it because the writers are too afraid to let him make mistakes and have to come back from them, as Dean has to do all the time. There’s no struggle with Sam, no reason to care. He’s going to be the Savior of the World with his Special Demon Powers That Are Actually Good, and Dean… well, Dean’s lucky if he gets to be a footnote in the thick tome that is Sam’s heroic story.

As for attacking Jensen, doublek and fury, you disgust me. That’s all there really is to say about that.

Tina, it’s not unimportant if 80% of the reviewers and two-thirds of the viewers missed a critical plot point.

“Thanks doublek. You won me $10. I bet a Samgirl friend of mine that it would only be a matter of time before you guys started making personal attacks against Jensen. Never fails.”

It’s been this way since Season 1, whenever the Sam fans get tired of losing the logic arguments, as they almost always do lose them - they start attacking Jensen personally. Attacks which not only have no basis in fact but which go against almost everything that is heard about the guy. They have to make stuff up.

To Josie - all Dean fans ever asked for is balance. So yes I feel I can say I would have traded some of character development for more balance in the overall story, including a part in the mytharc earlier(which I think would have moved Sam’s story along more quickly as well).

Since Season 2, most of the development Dean’s gotten hasn’t been so much development as devolution and regression, trying desperately to turn him into the cliche they made a point of showing he wasn’t in Season 1. The role reversals certainly don’t do anything for Dean as they strip him of his strength, both physical and emotional, his expertise and even his walls.

So I would have gladly given Sam half of the many screw ups, flaws and weaknesses, comparisons to murders, bullies, racists, betrayers and other things Dean has been saddled with and which Kripke’s statement above shows he will STILL continue to be saddled with this season in order to get a share of Sam’s “mysterious perfection” wherein we don’t know exactly what he’s thinking(supposedly, I personally haven’t had a hard time figuring out where Sam stands) but he’s always on the right side, no matter what side that is.

As a previous poster put it, you lie to Sam, you’re wrong. If Sam lies to you, you’re still wrong. Or if Sam walks away from you, you’re wrong, if you walk away from Sam, you’re wrong. If brutal measures are used, if it’s Sam, then it’s because he’s showing how he can do what is necessary, growing up and making those tough decisions, if Dean does it, it’s because he’s not open minded enough or because he’s borderline psychopathic like Gordon. If Sam thinks for himself, it’s great and right, if Dean thinks for himself, nothing good will come of it.

On top of that Sam is college educated, so he’s smart as they insist on beating us over the head with repeatedly. At everything. If Sam doesn’t know it now, he will soon enough. Meanwhile Dean isn’t even allowed to know stuff he showed he knew in Season 1.

Dean probably barely got through high school, so he’s not smart(gotta love that elitism which equates grades with intelligence) and he needs Sam to tell him how to the job Dean’s been doing about 8 years longer than Sam has, taking into account the fact that he took his training seriously and decided at 16 this was what he wanted to do while Sam was concentrating on getting away from hunting and was 4 years out of it completely. Sam’s intelligent and thus sensitive, Dean’s stupid and thus brutish apparently.

So long as they insist in writing Sam as more “sinned against than sinning”, he’s always going to come across as shallow in comparison to Dean but it’ll be “perfectly” shallow. If the writers won’t commit to Sam truly screwing up, he’s never going to be more than a cardboard cutout no matter how hard they try. He needs to make the sort of mistakes that cause harm and/or hurt for more than just himself and to do it because of his OWN flaws(like arrogance or condescension).

They need to NOT put the blame for it on anyone else and not make sure that we all know Dean has done worse so Sam will still have the moral superiority. At this point Dean’s not even allowed to be morally superior to demons, how nice, whereas Sam’s apparently morally superior to some angels?

They need to commit to Sam having to claw his way out of the gutter the way Dean has had to do numerous times and, again, given the statement, they’ve clearly decided to shove Dean’s face further into the gutter than they ever have before with this upcoming storyline.

That, Josie, is why Dean is popular. It’s not because he’s perfect, it’s because most people know when they are being manipulated in one direction(Sam’s) and tend to react against it.

The sad thing is there is plenty to sympathize with Sam, it didn’t need to be manipulated but in the writers’ insistence that he never be in the wrong except in minor things, that nothing he ever does have lasting consequences, that he can do everything Dean can do and then his own stuff that Dean can’t do and that Sam always be the highest moral and intellectual authority on the show, the writers I think do an injustice to both characters.

With Dean it gets to the point where all there is to see are flaws and weaknesses and screw ups and with Sam there just isn’t much to see because he’s always going to do the right thing.

I don’t even know if this is Kripke’s fault, lately I’ve been thinking it’s probably Sera Gamble’s. She was the one who seemed to equate “blue collar” with stupid and closed minded in the commentaries and interviews. They should have done everything they could to keep Raelle Tucker, she seemed to balance out the crude tendencies of the other writers.

” Sam is definitely shown to have flaws. The guy when robotic after Dean “died” in mystery spot. He cut all ties with Bobby when Dean went to hell. These aren’t “good” things about Sam. They make him very human. Sam even lied to his girlfriend who he was going to marry. ”

Which the show whitewashes very quickly. Remember in Rt 666, all of sudden Sam wasn’t lying to Jess because he wanted to(as in the pilot). No. Sam only didn’t tell Jess the truth because he was trying to keep the NUMBER ONE RULE of the Winchester family “We do what we do and we shut up about it”. Never did Sam say “It was my fault I didn’t tell Jess. I wasn’t willing to take the risk. It took guts for you to tell Cassie, Dean” or anything along those lines.

He cut all ties with Bobby and were there any consequences to that for his and Bobby’s relationship? None whatsoever, it went right back to normal right away, in fact Bobby and Sam seemed closer than ever in Yellow Fever, bonding in their total lack of urgency for Dean’s well-being and their joking at the end about how adorable he was, being brave now when he’s been acting like a coward for 24 hours.

Mystery Spot didn’t have any consequences whatsoever, that was the point. Nothing Sam chose to do or did had any consequences for anyone in that episode as it had an automatic reset button at the end. Sam apparently learned his lesson as he obviously didn’t do anything during those 4 months alone that would be considered bullying or dickish or anything that Luther’s ghost could have latched onto.

Even at his lowest ebb Sam apparently did nothing more than drink a bit, make a few failed but not too dark attempts at getting Dean out of Hell and then hooking up with Ruby the good demon who saved his soul from sinking further.

“Dean has called Sam selfish multiple times without any indication that he regrets saying it. He’s told Sam that he’s too little, too late in regards to their father, he’s told Sam he’s the bad son. Demons and ghosts have called Sam out on his behavior with Ruby (which is still painfully vague).”

Dean called Sam selfish I believe twice, during Season 1, and Dean DID apologize for one of them. In Scarecrow Dean gave a big apology wherein he tells Sam he was right, he tells Sam he admires him and he tells Sam exactly why he admires him, specifically. To this day Sam has never managed to give Dean a true compliment about any aspect of his character. He’s never said he admires anything about him. The closest he’s come is that he wanted his big brother back, ie the guy who always put Sam’s needs first.

Also in Season 2, in episode 4 Dean did apologize for his behavior, and it wasn’t just for his behavior in that episode, it was his whole attitude. He said he was sorry to Sam, he said he knows that John was his father too and he apologized for how he’d been acting.

Dean also told Sam, more than once, that he felt Sam was a better person than him and a stronger person than himself.

ONE ghost called Sam out on his behavior and ONE demon and I feel quite assured that what we will find out is that Ruby is a good little demon and she and Sam have done nothing wrong beyond the thing that Dean is guilty of at this point as well - leaving Ruby in her meatsuit(god knows we’ll probably find out she had permission to use it). So it will all be misunderstood Sammy again, more sinned against than sinning and if only Dean and the rest of mean, cold universe could understand.

I really don’t see the writers “whitewashing” Sam at all. Right now Sam is completely morally ambiguous and any speculation that he is “right” or “wrong” in his powers is just that–speculation. We don’t know the end game and until we do, we won’t know if Sam is right or wrong in all of this.

I think it’s rather ridiculous to say that the only reason you like Dean is because you’re being manipulated into liking Sam. That’s just…weird. I guess if you feel that way, you feel that way. I rather think I like Sam because I like Sam, not because I’m being manipulated any way.

Sam has apologized to Dean (Asylum comes to mind) but it’s rarely good enough for most fans. Sam has also tried to tell Dean just what his big brother means to him both in Salvation and in NRFTW but Dean shut him down both times.

I’m not sure how Dean’s flaws are less whitewashed, I guess. Dean can be somewhat forceful in his approach to dealing with Sam but it’s all because he loves his brother. He can blindly follow his father for awhile but it’s all because he loves his dad. There’s a reason more people feel bad for Dean than Sam–and again, it’s not just the quality of JA’s acting. It’s the way it’s written. We inherently are inclined to agree with Dean, that they should stick together, that family is the most important thing, which is why at the end of S1 Sam ultimately falls in line behind his brother and puts Dean first above everything else. If DT didn’t show just how much Sam admires Dean, I don’t know what does.

When has Dean had to claw his way out of the gutter? The self esteem stuff? That’s hardly a despicable flaw. Dean did start to move beyond it but I guess I took that more as a sign of strength rather than negativity.

Maybe I just don’t see Dean’s flaws.

Any weird behavior in early S2 from Dean was because he was grieving. Any weird behavior in S3 was because Dean was emotionally screwed up about the deal. What’s great about Dean is that we see follow through with these emotional “flaws” and resolution to them, which actually whitewashes them far better than with Sam where they stay the same and are never dealt with again. Sam hasn’t really grown at all since the end of S1 and what change is there is arguably negative. The series hasn’t made Sam a hero at all. Basically what they’ve done is reduced him into a plot point who couldn’t do anything right–he didn’t succeed at normal, he got Jessica killed, he didn’t save his father, he didn’t kill the YED, he didn’t save Dean. He’s completely devoid of any power to do anything.

I suppose if one poorly written line really made you doubt Dean’s heroism, then I’m sure glad Kripke cleared that up. I was going to base my judgment of Dean on the last three seasons and Sam’s clarification of his point, but, hey, I’m just a rabid Sam girl.

Metamorphosis, I think, was an interesting ep not designed to make Dean look wrong but rather designed to give both boys credence. It didn’t change the fact that Sam lied–that was wrong and he has a history of it. But he’s emotionally screwed up. Dean hit Sam twice, but he was terrified over what his little brother was doing. It doesn’t make it right but it’s a reason.

I guess I just think the main difference between these boys is that Dean gets to grow beyond his flaws, he gets to build on them. Sam’s just black or white because there’s nothing to his character. In the end, he’s either good or bad and because there’s no character development, there’s nothing else to it.

And Sam girls always lose arguments? Are you basing that on your oh-so-neutral opinion? Again, that so clearly is subjective an cuts both way that it doesn’t even deserve comment. I suppose next you’ll tell me that Dean girls never bash Jared or that Sam girls always start the fights.

“I think it’s rather ridiculous to say that the only reason you like Dean is because you’re being manipulated into liking Sam. That’s just…weird. I guess if you feel that way, you feel that way. I rather think I like Sam because I like Sam, not because I’m being manipulated any way.”

No that’s not what I said, nice straw man argument there. What I said, and you know perfectly well this is what I meant, was that by trying to manipulate the audience in one direction, Sam’s, the writers detracted from Sam’s own character and so as a result, that actually probably made Sam less popular than he would have been otherwise. And thus more people feel for Dean. Not that anyone only likes Dean because they dont’ like Sam but simply that they are more likely to feel for Dean than Sam because the writing turned Sam into a Perfect Boy cardboard cutout.

“Sam has apologized to Dean (Asylum comes to mind) but it’s rarely good enough for most fans. Sam has also tried to tell Dean just what his big brother means to him both in Salvation and in NRFTW but Dean shut him down both times.”

But Sam wasn’t responsible for his actions in Asylum. He was possessed by a ghost. His apology also sounded incredibly half-hearted like “Man do I have to say I’m sorry, well okay”. That’s sort of like his apology in Long Distance Caller - where he apologizes, not for leaving Dean alone to deal with this, but for the fact that Dean was wrong and he’s sorry Dean was wrong. ::eyerolls:: It’s pity, there’s a difference.

In Salvation, all Sam was saying was the typical “If we don’t get out of this…” speech wherein he thanks Dean for BEING THERE FOR SAM. Which was nice, and definitely tells us that Dean was always there for Sam, but it’s not what I’m talking about. In NRFTW, it was the same thing one of those “Well if both of us don’t make it, I want you to know I love you” type things.

That’s not the same thing as a genuine apology for behavior which would be his own responsibility(and yes Dean’s behavior was caused by his grief, but he took responsibility for it, he owned it, he didn’t use it as an excuse, the behavior was never blamed on anyone else, least of all Sam, but put clearly on Dean’s own choices).

It sure as heck isn’t the same as coming up with actual deep traits of character about Dean that Sam admires. It’s easy to say “Thank you for doing stuff for me”, it’s another thing to do something like in Scarecrow, where Dean essentially told Sam he admired him for something that if anything made things harder for Dean.

Not in the sense that Sam shouldn’t have done it, but in the sense that given Dean’s own issues the actions, through no fault of Sam’s own, hurt him. But Dean could still see that as a strength of Sam’s character and tell him he admired him for it.

None of Sam’s comments or apologies have come even close to that. A vague, you’re my big brother and I wanted to be just like you, which given everything we saw in Season 1 made that seem like Sam was feeding a line, nothing at all about Sam’s behavior ever has made it appear he wanted to be anything like Dean. What’s Dean like that Sam wanted to emulate? Is there anything worthwhile.

A couple episodes after Fresh Blood in Season 3, after, the “I want my big brother back” speech, when Dean is asking Sam’s recent cold, less caring behavior - Sam very morosely informs Dean that because he’s going to be all alone in the world soon(all Dean’s fault), he has to act more like Dean. So essentially Sam is saying, if I’m acting like a jack ass? It’s because I’m trying to be more like you.

How about Sam saying or asking Dean “How have handled all this responsibility all these years?” last season when Sam finally is getting a taste of what its like to feel like for someone’s life to be his responsibility? No instead Sam cries into his beer, blames Dean for Sam’s inability to save him and then at the end of the episode Dean does exactly what Sam wanted, thus, within the text of the story, Sam is again, made to be right. It’s Dean’s fault. Dean’s issues. And if Ruby is really a demon with a heart of gold? Well then Dean was wrong again in NRFTW - because if they’d just trusted Ruby, maybe they could have gotten Dean out of the deal.

In Metamorphosis - yeah both sides are given equal weight. HA! That’s why the only argument they allowed Dean to come up with were two punches and “why not use the knife”? Which made no sense.

For one thing - they had the knife for only a few hours before Dean died, so it was never anything that Dean himself had even depended on.

Secondly, the knife kills the hosts,which Dean knows and which Dean was concerned as much about in previous seasons as Sam was, maybe more so. Sam’s exorcism hand sends the demons back to Hell, it doesn’t kill them.

So asking Sam why he didn’t use the knife was totally nonsensical and totally designed to make Dean look like an uncaring jerk, while Sam is all “But my way doesn’t kill the hosts”.

Also the whole you look at me like a freak thing. Dean never looked at Sam like a freak but they’ve allowed that comment to stand a few times now thus showing the show wants to retcon it into truth. All through Season 1 and 2, Dean worried about Sam because he worried about the powers somehow causing harm to come to Sam, that they were part of something terrible, not that Sam would do something terrible.

Hell Dean watched a recording of Sam killing a man and the first thing he did was try to cover it up. And yet for all the world the writing seems to want me to believe that it’s Dean’s fault Sam didn’t tell him because he’s be all mean to him.

As for the freak thing? The first brother to call the other a freak was actually Sam talking to Dean in the pilot. The next time a brother was called a freak, it was again about Dean. Dean saw himself as a freak.

As for Dean’s self-esteem issues, they’ve been shown to cause harm to more than just himself. In fact the way the show is going now, all of Sam’s problems aren’t really Sam’s, they are simply based on the fact that everyone around him, esp. his family, is one form of loser or another, especially Dean. Who, by making that Deal, he left Sam alone and so Sam started using his powers but his powers won’t even be evil but it’ll cause a big rift because that mean old Dean won’t understand them…and so and so and so on.

So the show has nicely arranged that whatever direction it goes, it’ll be Dean’s fault. If Sam goes dark side, well how could he possibly be expected to bear the pain of his brother dying for him and suffering in Hell for him? If Sam’s powers are good? Well let’s see Dean, the redneck racist, learns a lesson in being open minded and non-prejudiced.

“80% of the viewers were really confused?”

REviewers, Josie, as in recappers at various websites. And yeah, it was around 80%… I actually calculated it.

As far as viewers, BuddyTV took a poll and it was about 60% on their website… out of 90 viewer comments on TVGuide, only one person thought that the show was telling us that Dean was infected for some reason other than dickishness, but only about a third of the comments mentioned the reason at all… so, maybe about 30 people thought it was because he was a dick, and 1 person thought otherwise. (Some thought both boys were dicks, but Sam was immune because of his demon blood.) So, that’s actually 97% of viewers who were confused.

Pretty extreme confusion there, and definitely worthy of a clarification.

Kudos to you to doing the math. I can’t say I care that much I admit I don’t read “reviews” but just surf the boards and overall there weren’t people saying Dean IS a jerk but more about how he sometimes is/isn’t. I still don’t see how this issue is so much more pressing than the rape question. Nor do I see how it’s good for the rape thing to be a “mysterious” issue that will reveal itself in time. So will Dean’s secret. Like I said earlier, by itself this statement means nothing to me. But I’m pretty tired of only hearing about Dean.

I would have no problem with Sam not having powers. Give me two brothers, hunting stuff and I’d be giddy. This entirely ridiculous mytharc with angels and demons and the stupid apocalypse is far too overdrawn for my liking.

And how does he just get rid of his powers? He didn’t choose to have them. Nor did he choose to have them start manifesting. It wasn’t like he was sitting around at Stanford and thought, gee, I would like to start seeing the future. His premonitions, his burst of TK, his immunity to Lilith just HAPPENED. He did start developing them but at this point we don’t really know how or why that happened or if he can even just ignore them. That’s the problem, for me. They are a part of Sam. Unless they have some kind of burn out quality, it seems like Sam would have better luck learning not to think rather than getting rid of his powers. So if the powers are evil and Sam can’t get rid of the powers then he’s a stupid pawn in this whole cosmic mess and I don’t see anyway out of it for him that makes him heroic. Now, perhaps Kripke will pull some kind of whacked storytelling and if it involved Sam getting rid of them, then PLEASE. Get rid of the crap and focus on the brothers because I’m bored with Ruby and I’m super board with Castiel and I hate the apocalypse and Sam looks silly holding his hand out and Dean sounds ridiculous saying he’s on a mission from God. We can all disagree on that, of course, but I’m tired of the whole stinking mess. Bringing Dean in with angels has just made it even worse and sets Sam up in an even worse way.

whatever…more Padalecki, please.

Of course there’s no need to bash Ackles or attack Kripke personally. We can critique Kripke’s storytelling all we want though and we’re all on equal ground there. And I never defending any of the bashing. I defending Sam girls who were annoyed and said they had the right to speak up against the constant Dean the show is throwing at us. So go back and do your homework. I said that wasn’t necessary or good. I did however equate it to the name calling that started early on that basically said that Sam girls were all whiners and needed to shut up and eventually progressed to the idea that Sam girls were in the minority and therefore irrelevant and so on.

No abuse of anyone is okay. I believe I said that earlier. Be it bashing Jensen or Jared or Dean girls or Sam girls. So people calling Sam girls whiners is just as bad as someone saying they don’t like the way Jensen dances.

And my point here was always to debate the issue not to be mean. Secretly I think I’d like us all to come to some kind of happy agreement, though that probably isn’t too obvious. I get snarky when people say stupid things.

Mara, I guess for me it seems like once you have the powers, you have the powers. How do you get rid of a super power? I don’t think it’s likely Sam’s powers are neutral. Basically that was my point. Sam’s character is screwed. He has evil powers that he can’t control or fight and he’s basically a disaster waiting to happen. Because he doesn’t seem to be able to get rid of them and none of us seem to think he can control them so what else is there for him to do except off himself or wait for Dean to stop him? That’s a huge flaw in Sam’s character, to me, that simply can’t be fixed and it drives me nuts.

I for one think dissing an actor (or even one of the characters) is shameful, so tell me then, those of you that claim Sam fans are dissing Jensen, yet most of you are doing the Sam VS Dean thing.

I personally find that tasteless.

I can name many reasons why I adore Dean. He’s witty, he’s funny, he’s tough … and if I wanted someone to have my back, trust me, it would be Dean. That from a Bi-Winchester girl who tends to lean just slightly toward Sam. I ADORE Dean. Do I think he can be a jerk? Yup. But, so can Sam. They are human. (And I thinnk them being perfect to be utterly boring.) And never EVER once have I wanted to take away Dean’s story. Ever.

Does that mean I want to, in order to enhance Dean’s, take from Sam? Nope. Because I adore Sam too. For many reasons, but not the same that I adore Dean. There are some things I find more attractive in Dean, some I find more attractive in Sam.

To be honest, Season 1 I found on the internet (about a month before Season 2 premiered) and I was BLISSFULLY unaware of any fighting about who was better. And to be honest, I was TOTALLY Bi-Bro then. I favored neither more.

I found CW’s message board, lurked for about 2 weeks and found another message board (left CW’s because so many dissed Sam and I found that shameful). On the other message board, I lurked, in both the Dean and the Sam threads for months before I said anything to anyone. And honestly, I ended up posting in the Sam threads … because I found most (not all, because some I became friends with) Dean fans to be … volatile. As if … if you didn’t like Dean best you should be smited.

Once I actually made a post in the Dean threads … decided what the hell, I’ll do it … and because my post contained Sam (and not in any way a comparison, just a reference) I was told, by a Mod, to get the hell out. So there went my public showing of Dean love.

Do I still love Dean? Absolutely! He is my second favorite character on TV. It’s not Jensen’s fault he has some whacked fans. (And I am in NO way naming names, so if anyone takes offense, that might be guilt speaking)

But I am not saying Sam doesn’t have some too. I started my own board because the Dean VS Sam thing pissed me off (from both sides) and one of the mods asked me not to include Dean in my Sam board. I refused. Then called the person on trying to wish some of Dean’s scenes onto Sam (see, I am pretty fair in calling a Rabid Fan just that … Rabid.) and the person left … pissed … and we’ve never spoken again.

But for those of you sitting there, cursing one side or another, while either raking Jensen, Jared, Sam or Dean across the coals (and trust me Dean/Jensen fans, I have heard many of your ‘group’ rake Jared too) know that *I* want the show to be about TWO brothers. When I get angry at Kripke for changing his vision (because he did change it, and like it or not, he RARELY even mentions Jared’s name these days) it is because the story of TWO brothers, TWO entirely flawed brothers (and yes, I mean both, they BOTH have plusses and minuses – it makes them more interesting) that are fighting evil against the odds, and hopefully ride off into the sunset … that is the story *I* want to see, the story I thought we all wanted to see.

So whether its Dean or Sam that is your favorite, if you can’t see good and bad in both characters, if you love one so much that you have to hate the other, well, then I sort of feel sorry for you … watching a show that you hate one of the leads just because you like the other one more.

Because honestly … if I hated 50% of a show … I’d find another show.

And Kripke, this is what your inequality has done to your fans. I hope you are proud! (Please, note the dripping sarcasm in that.)

kripke your failboat has arrived.
you were ripped apart on a small stupid forum on the internets? must be hard.
big deano needs protection, maybe it’s time for another fake prank starring jenson ackles.
next on supernatural:
deano and the old ugly angel talk for an hour, so the twop deanogirls can giggle like schoolgirls.
deano dance, makes idiotic faces and cries
deano kisses a random bimbo and cries some more
sam appears for a few seconds so deano can punch him

I think the real problem here for some people is the mytharc, whether they’re willing to admit to it or not. The mytharc that, as some of you claim, Kripke said Dean was never supposed to be a big a part of.

No one comes out and says it, but you seemed to like it better when the show was about two brothers, with one of them (Sam) being the focus of the mytharc, the brother that the main storyline focused on and always came back to. The show always focused on the brothers’ relationship, but when it came right down to it, the main plot point was Sam. But, oops. Now Dean has a role that doesn’t solely base his entire existence on Sam. Now Kripke is bringing Dean into the mytharc too, giving him a role besides just being Sam’s faithful brother, giving them BOTH a role in the plot. And that’s where the problem begins. Because it’s shifting some of the focus away from Sam. Are you ticked that Kripke changed his vision (as some of you say, though I don’t know how you can possibly know that for sure), or are you ticked that the show is finally bringing Dean into the main arc, thereby taking a little attention away from Sam for several episodes? Hmm?

Well, I for one am glad the show is evolving and moving on to a bigger overall storyline that they’ve threaded through the past 3 seasons. Everything from past seasons logically seems to lead to the current storyarc. I love that it turns out they BOTH are going to play a big role in whatever Big Thing is coming. It makes it far more interesting than if Sam had a big role in it and Dean tagged along solely to protect him because he’s the loyal big brother whose world revolves around Sammy. That’s not as interesting. I adore both brothers, think they’re both special in different ways, and obviously the big players in the apocalypse think so too. Both of our boys are important, even if we don’t know their exact roles yet. I think it’s awesome.

Oh, and I can hardly wait for Sam and Castiel to meet. Whoa boy. I’ve never been so excited for a season of Supernatural.

“They aren’t inherent to him, even he compared them to a disease. Diseases can be cured, so there is no reason powers he was given by demon blood can’t be cured as well. In fact I think the disease analogy is a good one.”

Not trying to fight Em, just to discuss. The disease analogy doesn’t work at all for me, because there are many diseases that cannot be cured. My friends husband is dying of one right now.

To me, it seemed like Sam’s defense against Liliths white light was completely beyond his control, like your heart beating faster after something scares you. If you think of it as something like Tachycardia(irregular heartbeats that can suddenly escalate into a heart attack) then I think its just as likely as not that Sams choices were to learn to control that wild heart beat, or to be constantly endangered by it.

Using the disease analogy, part of battling a disease and recovering from it is learning to manage and control it. I have to wonder if it will turn out to be more dangerous for Sam NOT to learn how to manage this ‘disease’.

The problem isn’t that Dean is suddenly getting some focus. It’s that he’s getting all the focus. Even after last night, which was a more balanced ep, it is still from Dean’s POV for the most part. How do I make this assumption? Look at who got the final scene. This ep was more balanced than most but Dean’s always carried the weight of this show and about the only thing Sam had was the mytharc. Now that that’s being mostly taken away from him, he’s just completely floundering, he’s a dead-end character, and he can easily be written out of entire episodes. That’s the problem. Sam’s never been developed very well and instead of fixing the characterization issues with Sam, they just gave more plot to Dean, making Sam less essential than he was before.

And I do have a huge problem with the mytharc which, honestly, after last night bores me to tears. I so dislike the angels it’s not even funny. And Castiel’s getting about as much depth as Sam is right now and that drives me batty, too.

I’m sure some of this is my rabid Sam girl self. I want to see Sam have character development. I would really like him not to be evil. I want to know what he thinks and what he feels and how he still had faith after seeing his brother go to hell. I want to know why he started using his powers. I want to know how he feels about Dean being back. I want to know ALL of this and the show’s barely giving me any and I’m so tired of it.

And I’m not saying that Sam was born with the abilities. I’m saying that it’s in his blood. Now, personally, it seems like ingested demon blood as a baby would just make you have really demonic poop for about a day, but since the show seems to insist that it’s in his blood now, then now it IS a part of him. Unless they do a full-blood transfusion or some kind of supernatural chemo, I can’t see how Sam’s supposed to get rid of it. And the powers have manifested without his control. He didn’t will his way into a vision. Nor did he try to be immune to Lilith. There’s a problem with the storytelling here as well–because some powers just happen but others are developed? Or do they all just happen? And if they all just happen then how is Sam supposed to stop them? Which is why I think the whole thing stinks because basically now Sam’s doomed to go bad no matter what he does, just like in last night’s ep. Sam doesn’t really have a chance and it seems to be boiling down to evil!Sam and saint!Dean and I want to sort of puke at the prospect.

I don’t know. Last night sort of killed my enthusiasm. I should just leave you all to your show and be happy that someone’s happy.

Please don’t go Josie! You’re one of the very few people here managing to keep a level head and discuss/debate sensibly without resorting to wank or personal attacks. I’m truly enjoying reading your posts!

I wonder how the last episode changed people’s interpretation of this message. The word “dick” was thrown around with a certain purpose in “The Great Pumpkin” and Sam’s actions was very much at the center of the episode. Knowing that is was written before this wankfest, and that it addresses both why it was kind of important to note that Dean’s not a dick AND Sam’s thoughts/feelings/importance etc.

Heh, what do we know, Kripke did have a point when making this announcement.

so the rumors were true…kripke and ckll are really the same person.
i mean, this kripke post right here…can be only written by someone that is bashit crazy, ackles obsessed and online 24/7.

Oh my lord! Wondering if you regret making that statement now Mr Kripke? Hope you never try to appease any group no matter how nasty they get and boy they can get nasty.They’re actually small in size but appear larger in size by way of their mouths and of others giving them a platform to spew their venom. I left the few boards I frequented because of the horrible and continous Sammy bashing by these small groups of so called fans. Sam being called a selfish bastard ,rapist and more doesn’t surprise me. Funny how some people lose all civility manners and courtesy when they’re hidden behind a computer
Found a Sam friendly site that wouldn’t tolerate bashing of either brother and it was nice for a while. But members of thi sforum would frequent the unfriendly boards and report back thus bringing in what I was trying to get away from and again aiding in making these small rogue groups of unfriendlys larger than life. The Sam friendly site was a hell of lot more respectful but the whining and complaining about Sam not gettiing enough character developement started to wear on me. Then the little swipes at Dean began to happen more often and the unbelievably ridiculous and petty things like keeping tabs on who gets more air time or which actor is upfront on the DVD cover! Jesus does this insanity ever end? When someone critized Jensens acting in “Dream A little Dream of me”, I said enough and left. Supernatural is about two brothers and the unconditional love they have for each other. How do you hate either brother when each is the other’s world? The saddest part concerning all this hateful and unciivil behavior is how many people have missed the whole point of the show. If only they would sit back and watch and enjoy the love and the Supernatural

You should be ashamed of yourself tvaddict, not posting some of the messages.
Of course it’s no surprise since that’s how kripke and friends work, always deleting the messages that are not 100% pro kripke and pro ackles.
So no freedom of speech once again in the Supernatural fandom.
I will be sure to spread the info that you don’t post al the messages, so everybody will know your site is a joke.

Kripke, why don’t you let Jared free?
It’s clear you don’t give a damn about him, you have your big crush for Ackles. Let Jared go, so he can move on and work on movies.
You wanna go on and make your teeny show on the network for teen dumb people, with dean and angels, then do it.
Let Jared go so he can work on real interesting things. By keeping him trapped in that hellhole always being insulted by you and your deangirls you’re not only breaking his spirit but destroying his career.
And one last thing, you should take notice of how much coverage Jared had for Friday the 13th in just a few days? More than Supernatural ever had in 4 years.
Talking about getting your priorities straight. You should have respected and cared about Jared.

this is gonna be th bst season ever you guys are doing a great job idk if u’r doing ur bst but i know this is one th bst keep it up Mr. Kripke!!