The TV Addict 

Todd,

Fantastic points as per usual. I’ve always assumed that Jack’s obsession with returning to the island is because there was only room for six on the helicopter and that part of the deal is that he’d have to rescue a whole lot of other losties.

I had heard rumors of a death and Jin being one of the Ocean Six, so I spent the whole episode waiting for Jin to be hit by a car or taken out by Sun’s father as he rushed to the hospital. My brain started gearing up when Sun called out for him at the hospital, but I still went “whoa!” once the reveal was made.

Did anyone think the doctor was acting a little sketchy? I was worried that they were trying to steal the baby since it was conceived on-island and may be worth examining.

Did anyone else literally scream “bitch!” at the TV when Juliet told Jin about Sun’s affair? And I say this as someone who loves, loves, loves Juliet.

The one explanation that makes sense to me as to why there are only 6 survivors and why some folks would want (or need) to stay on the Island - its magical healing properties.

Is it possible that some must stay to stay alive & healthy, and maybe others want to stay with those unable to leave due to medical conditions and maybe others want to stay young forever?

Count me in as one of the slow ones to realize that Jin was in a flashback - I didn’t even think about the cell phone (even after all the buzz after Jack’s flashforward and his phone).

After realizing that the date on his tombstone is the date of the plane crash, I think he is one of the survivors who were left behind on the island. We already know that the Oceanic Six have been lying about how many people actually survived the crash so I think Jin’s “death” is part of that whole mystery and why Jack says they need to go back to the island. I really cannot wait to see what’s going on but also am in no rush for the series to end either! This has been an amazing season of Lost - definitely the best drama this (shortened) season and I’m sure it’s only going to get better. (Hey Emmy voters - are you paying attention?)

Aaron is the other member of the Oceanic Six, DAMMIT!!! I’m getting so tired of people thinking that this is even an issue. Aaron was born on the island before the rescue, so he counts.

The scene were Jin/Sun reconcile at the camp and he says that what she did (the affair), she did to THAT man (the man who withheld his affection) was one of the best scenes of the entire series. I was a puddle. It was true and real and raw. And using Bernard to help bring that fact home for Jin was a great touch. I love his character.

I also think that Jin’s body not being buried on the island indicates that he made it off. Jin is the final member of the Oceanic Six.

I reacted differently to Juliet’s outing of Sun’s affair. While it may qualify as a bitchy thing to do, it was also a desperate move made out of genuine concern for a mother and her unborn child. When Juliet was first introduced, it was hard to tell what side she was on. It’s become increasingly clear that she is not the typcial Other, and her handling of Sun is one more piece of proof that she’s a loyal good guy (but inevitably screwed since she was never on Flight 815, and therefore, probably can’t be rescued and still maintain the Oceanic Six cover-up; she’s probably the reason only Jack wants to go back so badly).

I think the debate as to Aaron’s status could go either way. Technically, he was alive, he was on the plane (although in the womb), the crash didn’t kill him, and he did get off the island. So, he could be counted as an O6. But, as Hil said, he wasn’t on the manifest. They don’t sell tickets to unborn babies, and he didn’t have a name or an official identity at the time of the crash. And, depending on how you look at it, Aaron was a “passenger” of a passenger. So, it’s plausible that the O6 only refers to ticket-purchasing survivors.

As a side argument, can anyone else wrap their head around a timeline that the O6 would have to manufacture to explain Kate as the plausible mother of Aaron? Could she have been pregnant enough at the time of the crash (despite not having a huge belly like Claire did) to have the baby on the island and have it look as old as he is? Claiming that Aaron was conceived on the island wouldn’t work or she would have to be no more than four months along at the time of the rescue. Perhaps Ben uses his resources to orchestrate some kind of anonymous adoption for Kate after the rescue. That would require Aaron being “snuck” off the island secretly, which would negate any Aaron-as-O6 debate. But, that would look fishy, because who would let a fugitive adopt a baby? The easier explanation is that Claire is considered one of the eight original survivors but is one of the two that died before the rescue, and that Kate adopted Aaron while still on the island.

Speaking of children, I wonder whatever happened to the children who were snatched away by the Others right after the plane crashed. I don’t think we’ve seen them again at all. They would have aged like the actor playing Walt has. So, if we ever see them again, we’ll probably have to overlook a re-cast (easy to overlook since only the two from “The Other 48 Days” had speaking parts). I wonder if the show creators worked in the abduction subplot to intentionally avoid the child-actor-aging dilemma.

U GOT NO IDEA HOW MUCH I “CYBER-HATE” YOU, right now…. I mean i haven’t watched that epside yet, and you ruin me the “surprise”…. Haven’t you learn yet to use the “SPOILER WARNING” thing….

yeah…. sorry but what do you think we’re going to talk about? previous episodes? lol

This is from entertainment weekly’s site…ew.com.

“Sun’s flash-forward fake-out seemed to close out the first act of Lost’s future-time story line: identifying the members of the Oceanic 6, the celebrity miracle survivors of Oceanic 815. To recap, they are Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron, and Sun. Now, I know what some of you are saying: Aaron can’t be a member of the Oceanic 6 because he wasn’t born prior to the crash and therefore was not technically an Oceanic 815 passenger. To which I say, Please. Don’t be so literal. In the Lost world, the Oceanic 6 is clearly a media-coined term, pinned on these six souls by some clever headline writer or newscaster. And being in the business, I can tell you that tiny little facts like Aaron’s non-passenger status would never, ever get in the way of a easy, catchy piece of phrasing. We journalists are exactly that lazy. So let’s call it: The Oceanic 6 is settled.”

I think I have to agree. After my boyfriend and I spent hours arguing about whether or not Jin was one or wasn’t one and if Aaron counted as one of the six or not…. I think that we’re supposed to assume the 6 are officially: Sun, Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid and Aaron.

I don’t think jin’s memorial marker is meant to be a grave marker. often when there is no body, the family will still erect a memorial stone in the cemetary or in another location so they will have a place to go remember their loved one. since it looked like the only one in the area, I don’t think it was supposed to be an actual grave for jin. I do agree, however, that jin is still alive on the island. I can see him insisting that sun be given the last available seat on the helicopter, even though it means that they will be separated.